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Stop the Insanity!
I hope this gets everyone's attention, and I don't give a rip if anyone replies or not. I am posting this separately from the previous discussions on here that have deteriorated into the most vile insulting and mudslinging bunch of crap I have ever seen in my life.
It is distressing to me that massage therapists, researchers in the field, and anyone else associated with our profession in any way stoop to this kind of behavior. Not only is it not a productive discussion, it is starting to sound like a bunch of politicians on tv with their insulting of each other's credentials, standards, and abilities.
I am not interested in shame and blame, so who started it and who said what is irrelevant. I urge you all to remember that we are ALL in this profession because we have a desire to help people through the awesome power of touch, and that is what it is about.
We don't have to agree. We can all agree to disagree. The personal attacks, the character attacks, the arguing over which country does it better, is ridiculous, petty, and childish. This is not the first time this has happened. It is the main reason I avoid this site most of the time.
I am no better, or no worse than anyone else, and everybody is entitled to an opinion. That's what forums are meant for, so that people with differing opinions have a place to discuss those, but so much of what has gone on here is not a civil discussion. When I see people that I know to be hard-working, caring people, and people that I know to be brilliant minds and hard-working as well get into these mudslinging insulting arguments on here, I personally find that to be a bad reflection of what we are supposed to be about.
I don't have to be bad in order for you to be good. You don't have to be a failure just so someone else can be a success. One country who does things differently is not better or worse, they are just different. People get caught up in national pride, and that's okay, but it does not have to deteriorate into what some of these discussions have deteriorated into. Someone makes a comment, someone takes it the wrong way, or out of context, and it just goes downhill from there.
When you're writing like this, you can't hear people's tone of voice, you can't see their body language, and what might be civil if we were all in a room together comes off as a bunch of superior b*******, and one's just as guilty as the other. When anyone has anything intelligent to say, someone else seizes upon that and uses it as an excuse for the next round of arguing.
I wish everyone of you peace and prosperity, regardless of where you are from, what you do, or how you do it. We are all equal by virtue of the fact that we are all human and it's too bad that people are fighting like a pack of junkyard dogs instead of having a civil disagreement. I can't participate in it and I won't.
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Permalink Reply by Christopher A. Moyer on
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Choice -
Perhaps you could enlist your grandson to moderate the discussion boards on massageprofessionals.com?
-CM
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Permalink Reply by Mike Hinkle on
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I just wanted the truth out there, Choice. And now it is. My words were twisted and at least three people said the same thing. It was from one source. I am sorry if he took it wrong or whoever else might have. He is correct, I do not handle my protectionism of massage as well as I should. I am passionate about massage. I do not mean to offend and am sorry if I did. I am not trying to engage again. Just set the record straight.
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Permalink Reply by Choice Kinchen on
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Permalink Reply by Erica Olson on
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"I am from SC and if someone slaps me, I knock their head off."
. . . I did not say I would knock off Chrispher head or that's how we roll.
Um. Dude. That's exactly what that sounds like: a crisis in escalation and retaliation, particularly in relation to a geographical aspect. It's like "if they bring a knife to a fight, we bring a gun," but specific to SC. (Ie, Chris was "slapping" you, but knocking heads off via escalation is how it's done in SC.)
o.O
E.
Mike Hinkle said:
There's nothing weird. We don't agree. If you continue to attack, bet your last dollar you will be attacked back. Because I don't respond the way you wish does not give you that right. I am from SC and if someone slaps me, I knock their head off. So if, you're tired of it, quit prompting it.
This is the statement I made. I did not say I would knock off Chrispher head or that's how we roll.
Get your facts straight please.
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Permalink Reply by The Rev on
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Ravensara Travillian said:
Spiel? What does that mean?
Google it!!
And I didn't write what you quote me as saying; Emmanuel did.
Sorry for not giving credit where credit is due. Emmanuel did a good spiel...
This is becomin' a real pissin' contest, aye? Boys will be boys. I'm going back to runnin' my business. IF anyone here is in the SF/Bay Area, get in touch.
The Rev
Holistic Bodywork Therapist and Health Educator (1000 hours)
SNR & HE
Passer of the NCE
ULC Minister,
and, a person unwilling to impose my standards on another
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Permalink Reply by Ravensara Travillian on
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Oh, I know what the word means. I just didn't see how you applied it to what I said.
Still don't, but it doesn't matter.
The Rev said:
Ravensara Travillian said:
Spiel? What does that mean?
Google it!!
And I didn't write what you quote me as saying; Emmanuel did.
Sorry for not giving credit where credit is due. Emmanuel did a good spiel...
This is becomin' a real pissin' contest, aye? Boys will be boys. I'm going back to runnin' my business. IF anyone here is in the SF/Bay Area, get in touch.
The Rev
Holistic Bodywork Therapist and Health Educator (1000 hours)
SNR & HE
Passer of the NCE
ULC Minister,
and, a person unwilling to impose my standards on another
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I don't want to start this particular brou-ha-ha up again, because Mike has apologized for being overzealous, and I think that it is fine to leave it there. I'm not going to start in on Mike again.
But I think there is a larger issue here that is unresolved among all of us.
Let's just pretend for a minute that Chris was 100% wrong. Even if that were the case, how is that equivalent to "slapping" anyone? If Chris is wrong, then someone's wrong on the Internet; big deal.
If discussing ideas to figure out what's real and what isn't is perceived as an attack, then it's only a short step from that to accusing someone of "harming massage". And that's over the line.
Massage is bigger than any of us, and if any of us happens to wrong, that won't change massage.
But being bad to other people in the name of protecting massage is a failure of the good qualities we, as MTs, claim to possess.
I guess what I'm saying is this: Keep accusing those of us who simply ask questions and explore the evidence of "harming" massage, and you are guaranteeing there will be a divorce. As long as we can talk to each other civilly, there's a possibility we can eventually figure things out; demonize us, and that chance evaporates.
Erica Olson said:"I am from SC and if someone slaps me, I knock their head off."
. . . I did not say I would knock off Chrispher head or that's how we roll.
Um. Dude. That's exactly what that sounds like: a crisis in escalation and retaliation, particularly in relation to a geographical aspect. It's like "if they bring a knife to a fight, we bring a gun," but specific to SC. (Ie, Chris was "slapping" you, but knocking heads off via escalation is how it's done in SC.)
o.O
E.
Mike Hinkle said:
There's nothing weird. We don't agree. If you continue to attack, bet your last dollar you will be attacked back. Because I don't respond the way you wish does not give you that right. I am from SC and if someone slaps me, I knock their head off. So if, you're tired of it, quit prompting it.
This is the statement I made. I did not say I would knock off Chrispher head or that's how we roll.
Get your facts straight please.
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Permalink Reply by Laura Allen on
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Choice, you crack me up!
Choice Kinchen said:
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Permalink Reply by Travis Alligood on
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Understood !
Laura Allen said:Choice, you crack me up!
Choice Kinchen said:
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Permalink Reply by Kim Galliher on
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Although I missed any and all posts that this is referencing, I think this post is well-intentioned and well put. Good for you.
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Permalink Reply by Emmanuel Bistas on
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I guess what I'm saying is this: Keep accusing those of us who simply ask questions and explore the evidence of "harming" massage, and you are guaranteeing there will be a divorce. As long as we can talk to each other civilly, there's a possibility we can eventually figure things out; demonize us, and that chance evaporates.I think everyone can stand behind this statement.
Massage is bigger than any of us, and if any of us happens to wrong, that won't change massage.
Except when those who are wrong are decision makers, in which case it can change massage. That is why it is important to have these conversations and to make sure everyone is represented in decisions that affect all of us.
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Permalink Reply by Matthew D. Stewart on
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I agree Ravensara. If people can't ask questions and discuss the issues without the involved parties getting defensive then we risk a BCA v. Singh scenario, and look how much damage that has, and still is, doing to the chiropractic profession in the UK.
I guess what I'm saying is this: Keep accusing those of us who simply ask questions and explore the evidence of "harming" massage, and you are guaranteeing there will be a divorce. As long as we can talk to each other civilly, there's a possibility we can eventually figure things out; demonize us, and that chance evaporates.
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