a community of practitioners
"They have many studies on the effect of Qi Gong on disease especially cancer."
That's very interesting. I would be extremely interested in reading some of the studies that you found convincing.
Could you please post the names of some of the studies that you read and found compelling?
"If you need online references then sorry but they don't have the publish or perish philosophy."
Odd that other chinese hospitals have no problem putting their documentation online, a lot of which can be found through the pubmed database.
Numbers and methods that I can't verify (without, supposedly, flying 1/2-way around the world) are meaningless.
Furthermore: you stood there yourself and counted all the patients in the hospital, to see this 62% survival rate?
If not, how did you find out?
Was it simply some number that someone told you? Or was it written down someplace?
If they keep records, those records (privatized, of course) can be uploaded and the rest of the world can learn from it.
I'm deeply suspicious of any claim that amounts to "I know the secret to better living, but I'm not telling what it is...". That requires a level of credulity that would leave you open to a wide variety of scams.
Why wouldn't anyone be allowed to sign up to this site?
Apparently Brian arrived here because an internet tool he uses alerted him to the fact that I posted the original link that described the event he was at. Since then he's added some remarks. I might add that his remarks have been well reasoned and complete, which should be applauded.
Further, the original topic of this thread pertains to skepticism, and it seems Brian is a skeptic, so he's in the right place, wouldn't you say?
Whether or not he has had massage or bodywork, while perhaps interesting, has little to do with his discussion of evidence or lack thereof. He is pointing out the fact that others in this thread are making assertions that cannot be substantiated. He's gone on to say something very reasonable - you say a qi-based therapy reduces cancer? Then show me evidence. (Not surprisingly, there isn't any - mere claims and anecdotes just aren't evidence.)
Your post causes me to think of two other things. If this site actually was limited to massage and bodywork professionals, whom would be allowed to sign up? Other threads you and I have been involved in have shown that folks can't even agree on what those things are. Further, if this really is a site for professionals, then shouldn't those professionals be more accustomed to working with evidence and substantiating their claims?
-CM, not tense, honest.
I'm sorry I didn't think to copy the hospital records. The case histories included lots of photographs and the previous hospital's records sent with the patients, but I only read a little Chinese. But then I did it out of my own curiousity and learned enough to have helped several people. Qi Gong Doctors are tested and licensed in China. Also Xiao Er Tuina Doctors who heal childhood diseases with energy. My friend does have case studies of this online http://childtuina.8531.com/album1.htm. It is good there are skeptics but when ill use the tools that work.
The Empirical Method, nothing exists until man invents tools to measure, quantify and qualify that existence.