Don't Throw Out Acupuncture Just Yet!!! - massage and bodywork professionals2024-03-28T13:23:03Zhttps://massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/dont-throw-out-acupuncture?commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A158914&feed=yes&xn_auth=noand one day we may also hear…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2011-05-03:2887274:Comment:1603132011-05-03T23:00:20.444ZChristopher A. Moyerhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/ChristopherAMoyer
<p><em>and one day we may also hear you have made the effort to venture into using your hands as a therapist</em></p>
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<p>Probably not! I want to leave that to folks like you, the pros.</p>
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<p>I might use a sabbatical some day to get some training in massage, but only out of curiosity and a desire to keep improving my perspective on research. In the meantime, I always work with experienced massage therapists as much as possible during all aspects of our studies.</p>
<p><em>and one day we may also hear you have made the effort to venture into using your hands as a therapist</em></p>
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<p>Probably not! I want to leave that to folks like you, the pros.</p>
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<p>I might use a sabbatical some day to get some training in massage, but only out of curiosity and a desire to keep improving my perspective on research. In the meantime, I always work with experienced massage therapists as much as possible during all aspects of our studies.</p> Hi Christopher, thankyou, I h…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2011-05-03:2887274:Comment:1597502011-05-03T22:53:14.604ZStephen Jeffreyhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/StephenJeffrey
<p>Hi Christopher, thankyou, I have already read it via vlad's thread.</p>
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<p>and one day we may also hear you have made the effort to venture into using your hands as a therapist...........even if it keeps you away from MBP "lively debate" for a while:) </p>
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<blockquote><div><p>Good for you Stephen. It is an effort, but I for one am glad to hear you are making it and that you think it's worth it.</p>
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<p>Hi Christopher, thankyou, I have already read it via vlad's thread.</p>
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<p>and one day we may also hear you have made the effort to venture into using your hands as a therapist...........even if it keeps you away from MBP "lively debate" for a while:) </p>
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<blockquote><div><p>Good for you Stephen. It is an effort, but I for one am glad to hear you are making it and that you think it's worth it.</p>
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<p>And, coincidentally, your approach to it (reading things several times if necessary, making the most from it as you gain research literacy, etc.) is almost exactly what I happened to <a target="_blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.scienceofmassage.com/dnn/som/journal/1104/person.aspx">recommend in an interview</a> I did about a month ago.</p>
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</blockquote> Good for you Stephen. It is…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2011-05-03:2887274:Comment:1597492011-05-03T22:29:47.921ZChristopher A. Moyerhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/ChristopherAMoyer
<p>Good for you Stephen. It is an effort, but I for one am glad to hear you are making it and that you think it's worth it.</p>
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<p>And, coincidentally, your approach to it (reading things several times if necessary, making the most from it as you gain research literacy, etc.) is almost exactly what I happened to <a href="http://www.scienceofmassage.com/dnn/som/journal/1104/person.aspx" target="_blank">recommend in an interview</a> I did about a month ago.</p>
<p>Good for you Stephen. It is an effort, but I for one am glad to hear you are making it and that you think it's worth it.</p>
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<p>And, coincidentally, your approach to it (reading things several times if necessary, making the most from it as you gain research literacy, etc.) is almost exactly what I happened to <a href="http://www.scienceofmassage.com/dnn/som/journal/1104/person.aspx" target="_blank">recommend in an interview</a> I did about a month ago.</p> Hi Choice, maybe its a 10yrs…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2011-05-03:2887274:Comment:1603102011-05-03T21:54:03.134ZStephen Jeffreyhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/StephenJeffrey
<p>Hi Choice, maybe its a 10yrs in thing, but like you I have started looking at research as "another branch of information".</p>
<p>The way most research is written I may have to read it 5 or 10 times before I "get it" (very nearly plucked my eyes out loadsa times:) ) was it worth it ? yes ! but its going to take a long time before MT's chose a research class over learning another "trendy modality".</p>
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<p>As Vlad is pointing out being able to tell what's good and bad in research…</p>
<p>Hi Choice, maybe its a 10yrs in thing, but like you I have started looking at research as "another branch of information".</p>
<p>The way most research is written I may have to read it 5 or 10 times before I "get it" (very nearly plucked my eyes out loadsa times:) ) was it worth it ? yes ! but its going to take a long time before MT's chose a research class over learning another "trendy modality".</p>
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<p>As Vlad is pointing out being able to tell what's good and bad in research is very important, but I'm not research literate so for me its just good ol common sense, experience and intuition that'll have to do for now. <br/><br/><cite>Choice Kinchen said:</cite></p>
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<p>As a licensed MT (11 years) I am finding that I am more and more drawn to finding research to support (or not) claims that were put to me in school. I am such a newbie at learning to read and understand the whole "research" experience. But I am finding that it is becoming easier and I am enjoying it more.....it's becoming less cumbersome. But trying to explain to my fellow MT's....they look at me as if I had just told them to place leeches on their children's forehead. They'd rather become crash test dummies than change a way of thinking. They'd rather pluck their eyes out than read a research paper. It's hard work and too hard to change. But I think I am a better therapist because I am becoming a more knowledgeable therapist. </p>
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</blockquote> I have found that rosemary tw…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2011-05-03:2887274:Comment:1595132011-05-03T02:30:59.198ZChoice Kinchenhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/ChoiceKinchen
<p>I have found that rosemary twigs, esp if they're thicker make great spears for the grill. I wish I could find a good Indian restaurant here in Salt Lake City.</p>
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<p>As a licensed MT (11 years) I am finding that I am more and more drawn to finding research to support (or not) claims that were put to me in school. I am such a newbie at learning to read and understand the whole "research" experience. But I am finding that it is becoming easier and I am enjoying it more.....it's…</p>
<p>I have found that rosemary twigs, esp if they're thicker make great spears for the grill. I wish I could find a good Indian restaurant here in Salt Lake City.</p>
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<p>As a licensed MT (11 years) I am finding that I am more and more drawn to finding research to support (or not) claims that were put to me in school. I am such a newbie at learning to read and understand the whole "research" experience. But I am finding that it is becoming easier and I am enjoying it more.....it's becoming less cumbersome. But trying to explain to my fellow MT's....they look at me as if I had just told them to place leeches on their children's forehead. They'd rather become crash test dummies than change a way of thinking. They'd rather pluck their eyes out than read a research paper. It's hard work and too hard to change. But I think I am a better therapist because I am becoming a more knowledgeable therapist. </p>
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<p>I would be very concerned if my rheumatologist told me that my scleroderma and lupus would be much better if I just wore some magnets around my neck. Yet that is exactly what I was told in school when I was going thru a chemo treatment. Wearing those magnets did nothing. When I questioned my instructors, I was given the blame for "not being open." Is that the kind of therapist I want to be? No. My instructors lost credibility with me after that experience.</p>
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<p>I find these discussions truly educational for a variety of reasons. When the discourse is open and inviting, some very good points are taken. But, and I haven't done true research on this, it seems to always end up on a personal level....and not a good one. </p>
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<p>So I have a question.....Mike, why do you take things so personal and then go into attack and disrespect mode when someone has an opinion that differs from yours? Isn't this supposed to be an open forum? You want others to respect and listen to you, but you don't want to afford them the same luxury??? Just because they (we) have differing opinions??? Really???</p>
<p> </p> Yes, there's lots, some of it…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2011-05-03:2887274:Comment:1592882011-05-03T00:03:08.947ZRavensara Travillianhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/RavensaraTravillian
<p>Yes, there's lots, some of it very, very good. Even in the grocery there's all sorts of pre-fab Indian food if you don't feel like massive cooking. Nowadays, the national dish of England is chicken tikka masala.</p>
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<p>Balti cooking, from a particular region of Pakistan (around K2, I believe), is also excellent, and something I had never come across in the States.</p>
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<p>pulao is pilaf--long-grain/Basmari rice with veg and spices.</p>
<p>Yes, there's lots, some of it very, very good. Even in the grocery there's all sorts of pre-fab Indian food if you don't feel like massive cooking. Nowadays, the national dish of England is chicken tikka masala.</p>
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<p>Balti cooking, from a particular region of Pakistan (around K2, I believe), is also excellent, and something I had never come across in the States.</p>
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<p>pulao is pilaf--long-grain/Basmari rice with veg and spices.</p> Tandoori chicken, also great.…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2011-05-02:2887274:Comment:1594142011-05-02T23:43:58.198ZChristopher A. Moyerhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/ChristopherAMoyer
<p>Tandoori chicken, also great. I don't know pulao, though. I'm going to look that up now.</p>
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<p>Do you have lots of access to good Indian food where you are, Raven?</p>
<p>Tandoori chicken, also great. I don't know pulao, though. I'm going to look that up now.</p>
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<p>Do you have lots of access to good Indian food where you are, Raven?</p> It does sound great. Talking…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2011-05-02:2887274:Comment:1591872011-05-02T23:42:25.145ZRavensara Travillianhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/RavensaraTravillian
It does sound great. Talking about chicken and yogurt is making me crave a tandoori-style marinated grilled chicken over pulao. nom nom nom.
It does sound great. Talking about chicken and yogurt is making me crave a tandoori-style marinated grilled chicken over pulao. nom nom nom. Sounds great Vlad. I agree t…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2011-05-02:2887274:Comment:1592852011-05-02T23:34:43.854ZChristopher A. Moyerhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/ChristopherAMoyer
<p>Sounds great Vlad. I agree that Rosemary is a terrific herb, and especially on roast chicken.</p>
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<p>My wife doesn't like the texture of the sprigs so much, so sometimes I grind it in a mortar with kosher salt.</p>
<p>Sounds great Vlad. I agree that Rosemary is a terrific herb, and especially on roast chicken.</p>
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<p>My wife doesn't like the texture of the sprigs so much, so sometimes I grind it in a mortar with kosher salt.</p> What are you making?
Spuds…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2011-05-02:2887274:Comment:1594132011-05-02T23:29:31.287ZVladhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/Vlad
<em>What are you making?</em> <br/>
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<p>Spuds. Of course. (creamed)</p>
<p>Chicken (roasted with fresh Rosemary, the best herb on the planet)</p>
<p>Mixed fresh veggies (steamed)</p>
<p>and some of my unTexany gravy.</p>
<p>followed by some greek yogurt and blueberries for dessert.</p>
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<em>What are you making?</em> <br/>
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<p>Spuds. Of course. (creamed)</p>
<p>Chicken (roasted with fresh Rosemary, the best herb on the planet)</p>
<p>Mixed fresh veggies (steamed)</p>
<p>and some of my unTexany gravy.</p>
<p>followed by some greek yogurt and blueberries for dessert.</p>
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