Stone Sanitation Procedures...fact and fiction! - massage and bodywork professionals2024-03-28T15:43:00Zhttps://massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/stone-sanitation?groupUrl=stonetherapy&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi Jenny - Thank you for shar…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2011-12-03:2887274:Comment:2430142011-12-03T18:01:32.517ZJenny Morefieldhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/JennyMorefield
<p>Hi Jenny - Thank you for sharing this information. I am new to hot stone massage and just completed massage school in California. I do not have a store where I live that I can purchase basalt stones and the stone heater. I have been searching online and want to make sure I buy what I need to get started. Can anyone recommend a good source and what I should buy to get started? Thank You</p>
<p>It looks like some of the stones I have seen on some websites were just picked up from the…</p>
<p>Hi Jenny - Thank you for sharing this information. I am new to hot stone massage and just completed massage school in California. I do not have a store where I live that I can purchase basalt stones and the stone heater. I have been searching online and want to make sure I buy what I need to get started. Can anyone recommend a good source and what I should buy to get started? Thank You</p>
<p>It looks like some of the stones I have seen on some websites were just picked up from the riverbank. Jenny</p> I have gone to the Spa Elegan…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2011-06-02:2887274:Comment:1703122011-06-02T21:56:47.882ZPatricia Griffin Kanter-Kennedyhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/PatriciaGriffinKanterKennedy
<p>I have gone to the Spa Elegance website and I can not find a listing for MCP. I have searched their website and looked within several categories. Are there some brand names for products containing MCP?</p>
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<p>What other types of hospital grade disinfectants can be used? I teach at a massage school and teach hot stone massage. I want to be able to instruct my students in proper sanitation procedures and want to know more about MCP and any associated health risks in its…</p>
<p>I have gone to the Spa Elegance website and I can not find a listing for MCP. I have searched their website and looked within several categories. Are there some brand names for products containing MCP?</p>
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<p>What other types of hospital grade disinfectants can be used? I teach at a massage school and teach hot stone massage. I want to be able to instruct my students in proper sanitation procedures and want to know more about MCP and any associated health risks in its usage. </p> Thank you for your guidelines…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2011-01-05:2887274:Comment:1271202011-01-05T09:33:51.596ZPia Poulsen ALSThttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/PiaPoulsen
<p>Thank you for your guidelines Jenny.</p>
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<p>Reading up on MRSA, I got to think. What about sheets and towels? The MRSA - and I assume other viruses and bacteria, can be transferred via clothing as well. This would mean that washing sheets at 30 degree Celsius (86F) as some of the nice massage sheets require, wouldn't be enough as such a low temperature doesn't kill all the bugs.</p>
<p>Even 60°C (140F) wouldn't be quite enough - which is the normal cotton sheet washing…</p>
<p>Thank you for your guidelines Jenny.</p>
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<p>Reading up on MRSA, I got to think. What about sheets and towels? The MRSA - and I assume other viruses and bacteria, can be transferred via clothing as well. This would mean that washing sheets at 30 degree Celsius (86F) as some of the nice massage sheets require, wouldn't be enough as such a low temperature doesn't kill all the bugs.</p>
<p>Even 60°C (140F) wouldn't be quite enough - which is the normal cotton sheet washing temperature.</p>
<p>Wouldn't this be just as big a risk as the stones considering that our clients lie on and under sheets and there is a lot of skin contact?</p>
<p>What are your thoughts (everyone)?<br/><br/>Cheers,<br/>Pia</p> To Mary Ellen:
You are not sa…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2010-11-06:2887274:Comment:1137982010-11-06T20:34:37.169ZRoberta Blecknerhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/RobertaBleckner
To Mary Ellen:<br />
You are not sanitizing your stones properly using the dishwasher! Oil on the stones creates a biofilm making bacterial growth more likely! You are actually hauling the bacteria, fungi, viruses, etc. back and forth on your stones and spreading them around your dishwasher! I'm not sure what the temperature has to be in order to completely clean them between clients but I don't think it's hot enough.These stones are porous so the inside nearly never dries completely! I'd like to…
To Mary Ellen:<br />
You are not sanitizing your stones properly using the dishwasher! Oil on the stones creates a biofilm making bacterial growth more likely! You are actually hauling the bacteria, fungi, viruses, etc. back and forth on your stones and spreading them around your dishwasher! I'm not sure what the temperature has to be in order to completely clean them between clients but I don't think it's hot enough.These stones are porous so the inside nearly never dries completely! I'd like to direct you to Jenny Ray's CDC approved protocol for sanitization. How do you know you've "never had a problem" if every single client who has come in contact with your stones hasn't been tested for, say, hepatitis? Yes, it's convenient to wash them in the dishwasher but it is NOT SAFE! Check out Jenny Ray or call the CDC! You and your clients are at risk of contracting something dangerous or even deadly!!!!<br />
Roberta Bleckner These are good precautions bu…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2010-09-25:2887274:Comment:1077942010-09-25T20:45:14.133ZDaniel Cohenhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/DanielCohen
These are good precautions but unfortunately massage rooms are rarely designed to be sanitary. Often being soothing and comforting is a higher priority. To be sanitary walls and items used to decorate must meet the standard of being smooth and impermeable. This allows effective wiping down with sanitizers. A good way to reduce bacteria is nightly misting of the room with a quaternary sanitizer. Most cleaning supply companies have these.<br />
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The quaternary sanitizer can be added to the water to…
These are good precautions but unfortunately massage rooms are rarely designed to be sanitary. Often being soothing and comforting is a higher priority. To be sanitary walls and items used to decorate must meet the standard of being smooth and impermeable. This allows effective wiping down with sanitizers. A good way to reduce bacteria is nightly misting of the room with a quaternary sanitizer. Most cleaning supply companies have these.<br />
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The quaternary sanitizer can be added to the water to sanitize your stones. You can also wipe them after each use with antibacterial wipes.<br />
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The main transfer source of bacteria is your hands. Follow proper hand washing procedures and if there is no sink in the room wipe with a antibacterial wipe or waterless sanitizer before touching the door knob.<br />
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<a href="http://www.research.cornell.edu/care/documents/SOPs/CARE713.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.research.cornell.edu/care/documents/SOPs/CARE713.pdf</a><br />
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You probably can not maintain a sanitary room in most massage therapy locations but you can drastically reduce exposure. Following SOPs such as that provided above and having them available for review and training will limit your liability. Mono Chloro Phenol (M.C.P.) c…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2010-01-06:2887274:Comment:566102010-01-06T21:23:47.780ZJenny Rayhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/JennyRay238
Mono Chloro Phenol (M.C.P.) can be purchased from <a href="http://www.spaelegance.com" target="_blank">www.spaelegance.com</a> about $40 a gal..mixes 2 oz/gal.<br />
Monks disinfectant wipes (quick and easy way to clean stones and surfaces between clients....can be purchased here...about $5 per can...read the web page tells about killing MRSA and other such grunge...<br />
<a href="http://www.apollosafety.com" target="_blank">http://www.apollosafety.com</a><br />
and remember cheapest and quickest is…
Mono Chloro Phenol (M.C.P.) can be purchased from <a href="http://www.spaelegance.com" target="_blank">www.spaelegance.com</a> about $40 a gal..mixes 2 oz/gal.<br />
Monks disinfectant wipes (quick and easy way to clean stones and surfaces between clients....can be purchased here...about $5 per can...read the web page tells about killing MRSA and other such grunge...<br />
<a href="http://www.apollosafety.com" target="_blank">http://www.apollosafety.com</a><br />
and remember cheapest and quickest is alcohol...(if smell bothers you try Vodka, some is even higher proof than isopropyl alcohol which is usually 70%...and please don't sip pre-client!!)....ok ...just kidding...that is not recommended by CDC or any other sane person...<br />
<cite>Connie McKim said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/stone-sanitation?groupUrl=stonetherapy&commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A56384&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2887274Comment56384"><div>Thank you for sharing this information. I learned to give hot stone massage by recieving them and was never aware of the method to sanitize everything except to wash them. I too have enough stones to use without reheating between clients. Where can the MCP be purchased?</div>
</blockquote> Thank you for sharing this in…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2010-01-06:2887274:Comment:563842010-01-06T09:31:57.449ZConnie McKimhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/ConnieMcKim
Thank you for sharing this information. I learned to give hot stone massage by recieving them and was never aware of the method to sanitize everything except to wash them. I too have enough stones to use without reheating between clients. Where can the MCP be purchased?
Thank you for sharing this information. I learned to give hot stone massage by recieving them and was never aware of the method to sanitize everything except to wash them. I too have enough stones to use without reheating between clients. Where can the MCP be purchased? yes pure alcohol (undiluted)…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2010-01-06:2887274:Comment:563732010-01-06T07:23:15.076ZJenny Rayhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/JennyRay238
yes pure alcohol (undiluted) if it is for the ten minute soak - this is CDC idea...not sure I like it, but hey, they should know...it is also acceptable to spray and wipe each stone (edges too don't forget) with alcohol before it is replaced in the heating unit...remember if you change water between clients and disinfect equipment this is enough, if you don't change water you should have the antibacterial agent MPC in the water...best case is to have enough stones that you never need to reheat…
yes pure alcohol (undiluted) if it is for the ten minute soak - this is CDC idea...not sure I like it, but hey, they should know...it is also acceptable to spray and wipe each stone (edges too don't forget) with alcohol before it is replaced in the heating unit...remember if you change water between clients and disinfect equipment this is enough, if you don't change water you should have the antibacterial agent MPC in the water...best case is to have enough stones that you never need to reheat during the treatment session..you can always use two heaters if needed I have an 18 quart Spa Pro that can handle about 80 stones and a smaller 8 quart (facial Spa Pro) for all small stones and specialty stones... and an ice chest for cold stones...all stones get the alcohol spray before they touch the next person...and enough time between clients to completely clean all items...<br />
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<cite>Donna C. Agrinsonis, LMT said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/stone-sanitation?groupUrl=stonetherapy&commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A56340&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2887274Comment56340"><div>Alcohol bath - as in full strength alcohol and not mixed with water right?<br/> <br/>
<cite>Jenny Ray said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/stone-sanitation?groupUrl=stonetherapy&commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A56332&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2887274Comment56332"><div>I have just received some new information from the CDC... they have approved the sanitation methods as outlined in my other letter...adding that any stone soaked in an alcohol bath for 10 minutes will not need scrubbing...??...ok...the sanitation criterion I quoted was set up by the Geothermal Therapy Association. I will soon post more information about the association as well, for a brief over view you can visit their web site at <a href="http://www.stonewalkersassociation.com" target="_blank">www.stonewalkersassociation.com</a><br/>it will soon be moving to <a href="http://www.geothermaltherapy.com" target="_blank">www.geothermaltherapy.com</a> and will have a lot more information....<br/>Jenny ray<br/><br/><cite>Donna C. Agrinsonis, LMT said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/stone-sanitation?groupUrl=stonetherapy&commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A56163&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2887274Comment56163"><div>Excellent! This sure got me back on track because I am very new to hot stone massage and no one has ever mentioned the proper way to make sure the stones are sanitized.</div>
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</blockquote> Alcohol bath - as in full str…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2010-01-06:2887274:Comment:563402010-01-06T05:16:04.388ZDonna C. Agrinsonis, LMThttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/DonnaCAgrinsonisLMT
Alcohol bath - as in full strength alcohol and not mixed with water right?<br />
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<cite>Jenny Ray said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/stone-sanitation?groupUrl=stonetherapy&commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A56332&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2887274Comment56332"><div>I have just received some new information from the CDC... they have approved the sanitation methods as outlined in my other letter...adding that any stone soaked in an alcohol bath for 10 minutes…</div>
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Alcohol bath - as in full strength alcohol and not mixed with water right?<br />
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<cite>Jenny Ray said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/stone-sanitation?groupUrl=stonetherapy&commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A56332&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2887274Comment56332"><div>I have just received some new information from the CDC... they have approved the sanitation methods as outlined in my other letter...adding that any stone soaked in an alcohol bath for 10 minutes will not need scrubbing...??...ok...the sanitation criterion I quoted was set up by the Geothermal Therapy Association. I will soon post more information about the association as well, for a brief over view you can visit their web site at <a href="http://www.stonewalkersassociation.com" target="_blank">www.stonewalkersassociation.com</a><br/>it will soon be moving to <a href="http://www.geothermaltherapy.com" target="_blank">www.geothermaltherapy.com</a> and will have a lot more information....<br/>Jenny ray<br/><br/><cite>Donna C. Agrinsonis, LMT said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/stone-sanitation?groupUrl=stonetherapy&commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A56163&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2887274Comment56163"><div>Excellent! This sure got me back on track because I am very new to hot stone massage and no one has ever mentioned the proper way to make sure the stones are sanitized.</div>
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</blockquote> I have just received some new…tag:massageprofessionals.com,2010-01-06:2887274:Comment:563322010-01-06T04:39:47.997ZJenny Rayhttps://massageprofessionals.com/profile/JennyRay238
I have just received some new information from the CDC... they have approved the sanitation methods as outlined in my other letter...adding that any stone soaked in an alcohol bath for 10 minutes will not need scrubbing...??...ok...the sanitation criterion I quoted was set up by the Geothermal Therapy Association. I will soon post more information about the association as well, for a brief over view you can visit their web site at…
I have just received some new information from the CDC... they have approved the sanitation methods as outlined in my other letter...adding that any stone soaked in an alcohol bath for 10 minutes will not need scrubbing...??...ok...the sanitation criterion I quoted was set up by the Geothermal Therapy Association. I will soon post more information about the association as well, for a brief over view you can visit their web site at <a href="http://www.stonewalkersassociation.com" target="_blank">www.stonewalkersassociation.com</a><br />
it will soon be moving to <a href="http://www.geothermaltherapy.com" target="_blank">www.geothermaltherapy.com</a> and will have a lot more information....<br />
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<cite>Donna C. Agrinsonis, LMT said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/stone-sanitation?groupUrl=stonetherapy&commentId=2887274%3AComment%3A56163&xg_source=msg_com_forum#2887274Comment56163"><div>Excellent! This sure got me back on track because I am very new to hot stone massage and no one has ever mentioned the proper way to make sure the stones are sanitized.</div>
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