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Why Are We Following? America Should Be Leading!!!

A friend of mine here on Massage Professionals wrote a fantastic article about “The Corporate Takeover of Massage"

This prompted conversation and me to wonder about earlier conversations with a Canadian therapist. I have done little research regarding Canada’s Massage Laws, but after a BC massage therapist was bemoaning our system and touting his system as so superior, that changed. So, I decided to find out some facts. Canada has 14 different organizations that agree to the 2200 hours and many more that don't.

It does not speak as one voice either. Only those that agree to abide by the Professional Curriculum Standard are allowed to put MT behind their name. After graduation, there is a quality assurance program that must approve what CE's you are allowed to take, to get credit for them.

The United States is light years ahead of Canada. We regulate 81 percent of our country. Canada, only 31 percent. And after they agreed to the 2,200 hour standard, BC raised it again to 3,000. Will they ever stick with a standard?

Sounds to me like Canada is fractured. Would love to hear from therapists that were massaging before the "Professional Curriculum Standards" took over and how it has affected their practices.

BC can do this because they only have around 2,700 members with half the population of NYC. It will not fit into our system in America that dwarfs the BC system. They gained control of their therapists early and have stuck to it.

According to their website Canada has three regulated provinces.

http://www.massage.ca/regulation_and_licensing.html

The US regulates 43 states.

But this BC therapist feels we have similar medical circumstances (state sponsored versus free enterprise healthcare). I’m sure our doctors will agree with him, right? But he says, I am the one who is confused. And he is right. I am confused why he wants to fix America before he fixes Canada, if his system is so great.

All they did was strip therapists, that didn't conform to their hours of their Massage Therapist title and called them Spa Therapists. And then if you go to specific schools you can get the MT behind your name. All we have to do is create an advanced 2200 hour program, come up with another name for this "super educated therapist" and we'll have the same thing. Make the COMTA schools these schools and leave the rest alone. All therapists going through school don't need this level of training. These hours double the highest existing hours we have here. Way overkill!!

Most of America IS regulated. Most of Canada IS NOT regulated.

There is no one voice for massage in America!

There is no one voice for massage in Canada, except one that is telling us what to do.

So why are we following?

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Permalink Reply by Ravensara Travillian on February 18, 2011 at 4:39am

The word "homies" offends your delicate sensibilities, yet threatening* to knock off the head of someone who disagrees with you--as well as *your* saying that's how you do it in NC--doesn't?

How odd.

And no, just to be clear, I don't believe for a minute that the majority of NC MTs behave the way you do in public while claiming to represent the community. I'm not insulting the state, I'm criticizing your behavior, which you yourself attribute to the way things are done in NC.

* not that I believe for a moment that you're serious about actually doing so, just that clients read the Internet too, and they can read you saying that in your capacity as a massage professional. That's what I meant in my first post about you don't speak for *my* massage therapy.

Mike Hinkle said:

Well Raven, are we not part of the massage community as well?

I rushed nothing. On FB, you are listed as living in Europe, not part time. I explained that.

When did I say your questions weren't valid? I'm answering questions at 4:42 am to you right now... does that mean I approve of you or not?

My jihad is of your desciption ok? Let's keep it straight who described me as having anything to do with the word, ok? How some one feels about my or your behaviour will depend upon our actions. Like twice I have tried to put this issue to rest tonight by going into back files and talking about different issues and you continue to pull it out onto the forum. I am not pushing this issue you are.

This site is fantastic. It has enabled so many to learn so much. I will holler forever before any modality goes away. Massage history will be recorded so no madality like Reiki or any modality is ever threatened again. Had it not been for Madam Takata, Reiki would probably be gone. Never again.

Yes, the massage label carries with it lots of "symptoms of groups that have almost nothing in common trying to force themselves into a common label called Massage Therapists." And this patchwork quilt of massage therapists are the best in the world. We already are the most regulated couhtry in the world with 81 % of the country regulated. We include about every modality that exist and people love their work. Now there are some issues that many feel need addressed that aren't being to their liking and they think they can make a difference. They are going to get that chance. Nothing you or the others are doing is going to stop it.

Now you insult an entire state by saying "homies?" How can you say I'm unprofessional for standing my ground about something that will help the profession and hundreds agree with and you can call therapists in North Carolina homies and that is professional?

Yes, even as rude as you are, you can be a member because you are a therapist. If you can produce a US massage license and proof of who you are, we will check with the state, verify your credentials and you can be a member. That's how we roll. Even Moyer gets to keep his head, see?

Permalink Reply by Mike Hinkle on February 18, 2011 at 7:01am

Where did I say that is the way we do anything in NC? You said homies..roll in NC... and where did I say, I would remove Moyer's head? You mentioned me knocking off his head. You are making things up.

Do you have a question or are you going to just keep wasting time, making things up?

Speaking of which...

Are you currently a licensed massage therapist in the US?

Are you even in the US now?

Are you a researcher?

Ravensara Travillian said:

The word "homies" offends your delicate sensibilities, yet threatening* to knock off the head of someone who disagrees with you--as well as *your* saying that's how you do it in NC--doesn't?

How odd.

And no, just to be clear, I don't believe for a minute that the majority of NC MTs behave the way you do in public while claiming to represent the community. I'm not insulting the state, I'm criticizing your behavior, which you yourself attribute to the way things are done in NC.

* not that I believe for a moment that you're serious about actually doing so, just that clients read the Internet too, and they can read you saying that in your capacity as a massage professional. That's what I meant in my first post about you don't speak for *my* massage therapy.

Mike Hinkle said:

Well Raven, are we not part of the massage community as well?

I rushed nothing. On FB, you are listed as living in Europe, not part time. I explained that.

When did I say your questions weren't valid? I'm answering questions at 4:42 am to you right now... does that mean I approve of you or not?

My jihad is of your desciption ok? Let's keep it straight who described me as having anything to do with the word, ok? How some one feels about my or your behaviour will depend upon our actions. Like twice I have tried to put this issue to rest tonight by going into back files and talking about different issues and you continue to pull it out onto the forum. I am not pushing this issue you are.

This site is fantastic. It has enabled so many to learn so much. I will holler forever before any modality goes away. Massage history will be recorded so no madality like Reiki or any modality is ever threatened again. Had it not been for Madam Takata, Reiki would probably be gone. Never again.

Yes, the massage label carries with it lots of "symptoms of groups that have almost nothing in common trying to force themselves into a common label called Massage Therapists." And this patchwork quilt of massage therapists are the best in the world. We already are the most regulated couhtry in the world with 81 % of the country regulated. We include about every modality that exist and people love their work. Now there are some issues that many feel need addressed that aren't being to their liking and they think they can make a difference. They are going to get that chance. Nothing you or the others are doing is going to stop it.

Now you insult an entire state by saying "homies?" How can you say I'm unprofessional for standing my ground about something that will help the profession and hundreds agree with and you can call therapists in North Carolina homies and that is professional?

Yes, even as rude as you are, you can be a member because you are a therapist. If you can produce a US massage license and proof of who you are, we will check with the state, verify your credentials and you can be a member. That's how we roll. Even Moyer gets to keep his head, see?

Permalink Reply by Christopher A. Moyer on February 18, 2011 at 8:08am

No one could possibly make this stuff up.

You did say this, and I find it hard to believe you've forgotten it, though you'll staunchly claim that it never happened. It doesn't matter, though, plenty of folks on here read it when you posted. And, to be clear - not that clarity seems to work with you, but for the record - your statement that you'd fight me if we were arguing in person, because that's how you do things in NC, didn't concern me as a threat. It did, however, show your poor judgment and reveal the way you handle frustration, which is poorly.

-CM

Permalink Reply by Mike Hinkle on February 18, 2011 at 8:35am

Yep, Moyer , right on time! Christopher, you did make this up. And you spread it to others. And this shows you, a person supposedly a supporter of massage, hurting therapists simply because you can. These two two last exchanges proves you are discussing it with others and this is not indiviuals approaching the effort to address the issue of the MTAA. This is you getting peers to challenge the effort.

I honestly do not remember saying I would knock off, your head. Would love to see it. It it is on here, where? Sorry , but with just your say-so, I need to see it. Your're the researcher. Prove your statement.

No, never mind I forgot, Ravensara and you aren't even supposed to be in the conversation. This is you just trying to work your way in.

I will address you this time and that's it! You are not a therapist. This is for massage therapists. Please quit sending people that are not therapists to interfere in this process. You feel that is professional? Never mind don't answer. it'll just lead to another and...

Permalink Reply by Ravensara Travillian on February 18, 2011 at 8:35am

Are you currently a licensed massage therapist in the US?

Yes.

Are you even in the US now?

Not at the moment.

Are you a researcher?

Yes, in addition to teaching and practicing.

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