Evidence based massage therapy group

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Comment by Jan Schwartz on July 15, 2009 at 3:53pm

This link is to Guided Imagery study results carried out by Duke University Medical Center and the VA. Shows you can, in fact, measure the non-tangible, seemingly unscientific outcomes of body/mind/spirit relationship, based on particular scales.

My understanding of this group is to talk about how we can encourage the practice of evidence based massage therapy, not argue it's merit, which is what we did in the forum. Please correct me if I'm wrong in this assumption Bodhi.

Comment by Carl W. Brown on July 14, 2009 at 9:33pm

Robin, I presume that by community you mean bodyworkers. I think that it will not help because of the move afoot to standardize all of bodywork. I believe that the big push for licensing is not to protect the public but to insure that everyone starts out with the same training and thinking. I also think that the people who support this feel that we need to look more like traditional medicine. So they fill the course with A & P that 99% of the MTs forget but in the process they instill a way of thinking that does not support EBMT. So polling the population will help because people who understand and use EBMT do so in spite of their basic training.
Jan, for me the obstacles were that I had to effectively unlearn my basic massage training. This is not to say that I don’t use A & P in my work. As a matter of fact I could teach it to most MTs. It is the fact that I don’t try of compete with medicine but rather use that knowledge to complement it. I start by listening to the client in was not are extra-rational and only then bring my knowledge into play.
I got into this work by taking a series of Lauren Berry courses. Each course covered one joint. One you completed the joint-by-joint training you moved on to a second level of training and an internship that consisted on working with your mentor and a series of workshops. It took me a lone time to realize that if I could not help people it was that I was trying too hard. I need to stop thinking of how to fix things and really listen.
It was only then that I started correlating the extra-rational perceptions with results.
I find that too often people in this business start feeling things that make no scientific sense and see that they correlate results, but instead of acknowledging that they are touching on things that cannot be scientifically explained and learn to work with is as a right-brained activity, they wrap it is some fanciful system just to get some type of explanation.

Comment by Robin Byler Thomas on July 14, 2009 at 8:43pm

I just read through all the comments on the orginal post regarding EBMT. I'm wondering if it might be a good idea for me to do a needs assessment of the ABMP members, in the form of a survey, regarding EBMT. One of the things I've learned in the public health program here at the U of A (MPH), is how important it is do have participatory inclusion of the community you're working with in doing research. The EBMT question posed has an active discussion forum with many good points brought up on either side of the debate. In my experience it pays to listen to the needs of the community and it would be very interesting to see where the majority is concerning EBMT. What do you all think?

Comment by Nate Ewert on July 14, 2009 at 7:20pm

Looks like some great minds here! I look forward to leaching as much info as possible.

Comment by Christopher A. Moyer on July 14, 2009 at 6:21pm

Greetings - don't know how active I'll be able to be here, but we'll see.

Comment by Jan Schwartz on July 14, 2009 at 5:29pm

Looking forward to interesting conversations here Bodhi. Your question is what are the obstacles to MT becoming EBP? I need to go back and read the guidelines for groups before I answer--don't want to get in trouble. Wait, why does that suddenly matter to me?

Comment by Erik Dalton on July 14, 2009 at 4:30pm

It seemed to have credibility til you joined Cliff...
Look forward to seeing you at AMTA National...got a lot to catch up on..

Comment by Cliff Korn on July 14, 2009 at 4:23pm

Wow, good group so far! :)

Comment by Erik Dalton on July 14, 2009 at 4:10pm

Hey Bodhi:

Appreciate all you give to the manual therapy community. Keep the passion my friend...ERIK

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