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Comment by Mike Hinkle on August 13, 2009 at 2:51pm
To me CEs are different, than how Carl describes. First off, there is "NO" CE that can "insure that a professional stays current with skills and knowledge to perform that job properly." If that CE is out there, where can I book it? It would be nice too know someone coming out of a LomiLomi class has met that level.

CE classes are all different. Thank goodness. And yes, if I am interested in the subject, I want that 1986 CPA's class to see his take on this class, I might even learn a new trick, that only he knew.

I am torn between hands on and home learning as well, but I think both should be available to the industry. Both have strengths and drawbacks, just like life!
Comment by Ariana Vincent, LMT, MTI, BCTMB on August 13, 2009 at 2:39pm
Dear Carl -

Your comments and questions regarding CE credits are thought provoking.

CPAs can study updates to tax laws by reading current changes in the tax code, taking online courses and/or viewing DVDs that provide updated information.

In Texas, for example, the Massage Therapy State Board does not require the massage therapist or the massage therapy instructor to submit proof that they have actually completed 12 hours of CE every two years. CE credits are checked by a random audit system. If the person is audited, then he or she has to submit proof of completion.

The Texas Cosmetology State Board, which serves estheticians, nail technicians and hair stylists, does require that the CE provider submit proof of completion of CE classes.

In Florida, massage therapy CE providers are required to submit proof of completion reports for each student who participates in a CE course. The massage therapist is not allowed to renew his or her license until the CE courses have been completed and the record of completion has been posted.

Your question about understanding the purpose of CEs is important. Thanks so much for your comment.

I would love to hear additional comments about the purpose of CE's.

Warmly, Ariana
Comment by Carl W. Brown on August 13, 2009 at 2:20pm
Before we can answer Eric’s question we need to understand the purpose of CEs. They are designed to insure that a professional stays current with skills and knowledge to perform that job properly. For example do you want to use a CPA who last studied the tax law in 1986? No because the tax law has changed in ways that are essential to giving beneficial advise.
We first have to ask ourselves what changes in the massage profession that is essential to the wellbeing of our clients. Then we can see if home study or hands on teaching can teach it properly. If the only purpose of CEs to insure that peole are continuing to get some sort of educations on an ongoing bases then neither the content or form is important.
Comment by Ariana Vincent, LMT, MTI, BCTMB on August 13, 2009 at 1:44pm
Your are invited to read Erik Dalton's article, Home-Study CE Conundrum, and post your comments.

Comment by Carl W. Brown on August 1, 2009 at 4:13pm
I am concerned about practice acts where title acts will do. I think that forcing all bodyworkers to take massage training is wrong because it is not a prerequisite to many forms to touch based therapy. If we implement required training it should be based on actual harm not an arbitrary set of skills that many therapists forget once they pass the tests. My Swedish, deep tissue etc. classes not only were a waste of time and money but actually made it more difficult to develop my personal skills. I can understand if people want a golden standard to be attached to massage but not at the expense of having a wide variety of forms of manual therapy that offer the public alternatives.

Title acts control the terms (words) but with the problem of prostitution it is not that prostitutes perform bad massage but that they use the term to mean something very different. As such practice acts are more likely to be use to cover illegal sex than title acts.

So far I have yet to be offered a rational explanation that massage has to be a practice act for all of bodywork. Even in California where it was sold as a title acts it is fast becoming a practice act as many cities are not providing any alternative way to practice.

Ariana you are perfectly right that a standard is needed. But consider that if it is voluntary it actually tells you more about the people who are certified.
Comment by Carl W. Brown on July 31, 2009 at 4:34pm
I maintain a Yahoo group where proponents and opponents of state licensing can discuss their issues.
Comment by Ariana Vincent, LMT, MTI, BCTMB on July 22, 2009 at 7:06pm
Dear Karina - Thanks so much for your post. It would be wonderful to have a uniform system. Warmly, Ariana Vincent, Ariana Institute,

Comment by Karina Braun on July 22, 2009 at 1:07pm
It would be great to have legislation that is reciprocal. I have NCBTMB provider approval and I am trying to get my homestudy course approved by states now. Every state is so different and some so expensive (IL is $500). For instance, I got approved by Nebraska but they would only give me 8.5 out of 10 hours of CE credit for my book. Too many different laws out there...
Karina, Get In Touch, LLC
Comment by Mike Hinkle on July 20, 2009 at 11:40am
I know Felicia Brown had some legislative info. she wanted to get out to everyone but especially the NC therapists.
Comment by Mike Hinkle on July 20, 2009 at 11:36am
Keep me up to date on this one. We will need someone to explain all the changes at this years Festival!

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