New Jersey Massage Therapists

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Comment by Joan Annunziata on July 12, 2009 at 6:15am

I was wondering if the NJ massage therapist might be interested in asking Karyn Chabot, D, AY, LMT to present/teach her course " Sacred Stone Therapy, the original ayurvedic stone massage" here in New Jersey? I live in Edgewater NJ. I'm not sure if she would even be available, but her course sounds really good. You can go online and check out her course. If Karyn is interested and all of you are maybe we can pick a place in New Jersey that would be good for all of us?

Comment by Barbara Weinstock on July 9, 2009 at 5:03pm

Wow, great information Bill. Thanks for clarifying all of that for me and anyone else in NJ as confused as I am.

I always use an intake form and take careful soap notes. I think it's very important to document everything we do, not only does it make it easier for the next appointment with that client but I always document things that can be contraindicated with certain clients, such as "no deep work on legs" when working on my pre natal clients etc.

Comment by Bill Curry on July 9, 2009 at 4:50pm

Hi Barbara - The wording in the present law say's that if you are certified by the state , you can not accept a prescription if it is to treat an illness or disease. However a person who is not certified by the state is allowed, but getting anyone to accept that prescription, other than for tax purposes is a mute point. I do not like prescriptions to pinpoint anything specific. Now that being said, I have checked with the NJ division of taxation, and they said weather a person is certified by the state or not, what is acceptable for the collection of tax purposes, is the wording:
"Massage/Bodywork for musculoskeletal aches and pains as needed”. No expiration date either. This way you do not have to go back and redo it every year. I asked if had an expiration date if not listed, and they said, for Sales Tax purposes, there is no expiration date. At the present time, I have all but about a handful of regulars, all on prescription. The wording of the prescription is vague enough that is does not constitute treatment for disease or disorder. Keep in mind these prescriptions are not for an insurance company, and as far as a medical tax deduction, I tell them to talk to their accountant if they ask. Some people have me invoice them at the end of the year, and what they do with it is their business. Oh, yeh! A side note. If a person is given a prescription for low back pain as an example, auto insurance companies under the PIP (Personal Injury Protection) section of their policy will accept a prescription and a receipt from a "non certified" by the state person. The patient at this point pay you directly, is given a receipt for the massage and they submit it for payment. The prescription should have an expiration date, modality to use, what should be worked on, and the expiration date should not be longer than 3 months. It should also show a specific number of massages per week. You should do a client intake form, soap notes for you self, and show before and after results for the insurance company. They do not like to pay unless they see there is progress being made.
OK, I am going on too long. I need to go anyway. I have my evening appointments to go to.
Take Care!
Bill

Comment by Barbara Weinstock on July 9, 2009 at 3:10pm

Hi Bill,
guess at that point we will also be able to accept prescriptions so clients don't have to pay taxes. As I see it now, we are not allowed to "treat" and therefore can't accept prescriptions, however people who are not certified can accept prescriptions. Do you know if this is correct?

Comment by Bill Curry on July 9, 2009 at 12:24pm

Hi Barbara - I made a slight error when I was talking about the date Corzin signed the law, it was Jan13, 2008. Since the Licensing law has not been implemented yet, you should only have a certification. When phase 3 starts, which is when the application for licensure is posted on the internet, then anyone that is up for renewal will automatically receive a license instead of the certification. Depending on how ambitious they get, they intend send out replacements for the already sent out certifications that were recently sent out. There is nothing for you to do. If you are not already aware of it, one good points with this law, is that we will be licensed buy the state as therapist (not certified), and we will be allowed to treat (not at the moment) which leaves the door open for us to deal with insurance companies on a professional level. The last time this issue came up in 1999, there were a lot of people who did not want to see us be licensed (no organizations mentioned).
Hope this is of help.
Thank you for the good question!
Bill

Comment by Gloria Coppola on July 9, 2009 at 11:32am

HI NJ LMT's. I am originally from NJ and used to own a massage school there. Today I'm in NC teaching continuing education. If you want to host a class in NJ, let me know. Check out my website. www.MassageProCe.com

Comment by Barbara Weinstock on July 9, 2009 at 6:16am

Hey Bill,

I was wondering when the change to NJ License would take place! I received info about it last year and thought it was going to change this past January but when I re-registered I received a Certification card again, not a License. Will currently Certified therapists be automatically re-registered as Licensed? Will there be forms for us to fill out?

Comment by Joan Annunziata on July 9, 2009 at 5:32am

Hello, I work for myself in NJ. I went to the Academy of Massage Therapy and Academy of Natural Health Sciences etc.. I'm also a Reiki master. I really enjoy working for myself. I also work for a Corp. doing chair massage which is great.The only thing that I wish changes is the economy. Business is a little slow, but I know we're all feeling it.
I wish you all good health and much peace

Comment by Romy Antoine on July 8, 2009 at 9:40pm

OK Michael. You can disregard my question. I'm glad I found my way here!

Comment by Bill Curry on July 8, 2009 at 9:19pm

Hello Everyone - I too work in NJ. I live down by Atlantic City in a town called Mays Landing. I have been in practice since 1990, and as I see by the comments, I too work on a lot of seniors. They never have a problem with loosing their job and usually have a good retirement income. The funniest thing I had happen recently, was a woman who cut back on her massages since she lost millions in the stock market. I said to her, but Joise (fake name), you still have millions, own two resorts, and have a great retirement income. She is 75 years old and will never spend all her money as it is. Oh well! Getting back to me, I have taken continuing Ed classes from the Pompton Lakes school as well and Health Choices near Princeton. Cheryl Chapman has taught 3 classes for me as well (for those that know her here). I originally graduated from the International Academy of Massage Science in Philadelphia (now gone). I work in the Atlantic City area free lance, and also work with an Oncology Unit in Galloway Township, called Atlantic Hematology and Oncology Group. I have been with them since 2000. I also have a place in Moorestown NJ that I work out of two days a month called Acu-Health Holistic Center, which has a group of people. We have acupuncture, Psychologist, Chiropractor, and of course 4 massage practitioners. Well, that's my intro. Oh and I also represent ABMP with Rena Margolis in governmental affairs. Together with a coalition of 10 different modalities over the past two plus years, put together the Massage Licensing Act that was passed last January 15th. For those that are going to be upset we me for that, I would say; It was going to be done anyway, and I didn't want someone else dictating what I could and couldn't do. The only way to police the actions of the group is to be part of it. I am happy with the results, and if you knew how bad the original draft was, you would understand why I am happy with it. The bill is in 3 phases and we are in phase 2 at the moment. The board has been picked and approved (April 2009) as many of you know, and some time in January, the board of massage will place the application for licensing on the internet for download. This is not a firm date, just an educated guess. At that time, we will start the grandfathering process (one year). This is not meant to be an official statement by any means for clarification, by just a little inside information. As for this new web site, I think it is great. On of the things I pushed for in the Bill was a board of massage, so we have a place that we can go to for advice, complaints, and help with schools as well as help in handling disputes that arise fro time to time. This web site acts as a voice as well, and expands the possibilities for communication among professionals. We can post a comment or a question, and get other professionals to respond. I am looking forward to a new beginning with the advent of such a site.
Bill Curry
Mays Landing, NJ

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