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Comment by Mike Hinkle on October 29, 2009 at 11:42am

Carl,

Take a look at the MTBOK website under Resources, there is a link at the bottom of the webpage called Business Case Summary.

Here’s the direct link.

http://www.mtbok.org/downloads/MTBOK_Business_Case_Summary1.pdf

If you look on page two, one can read what the initial MTBOK task forces “tasks” are.

Levels of competencies will be a later-stage event.

Comment by Carl W. Brown on October 29, 2009 at 11:30am

Rev, “The tragedy of skilled touch continues...”. Welcome, this fight reminds me of the effort to license computer programming in the 70s. It would have made personal computing illegal. Had it succeeded what would our world be like today? The Apple II and Visiclac scare many programming to try to convince the legislature to require computer licensing where one would have to master COBOL or FORTRAN programming. This is another effort to suppress freedom of expression and like the previous effort they refused to prove their case. Fortunately the former failed but I can see the day when you and I retire and the world will lose our soon to be extinct species.

The real tragedy is that if the massage world would take a logical and objective look at what they do they would actually start producing better MTs. It is a pyrrhic victory. Personal computing did not take jobs away from the professional programmers but it built an industry that is much bigger that anyone could have imagined.

I believe that setting standards that truly relate to actual in-the-field performance will strengthen both the mainstream practice as well as allow greater diversity and freedom.

Comment by Mike Hinkle on October 29, 2009 at 11:20am

Carl, you tipped your hand. You are trying to increase hours of school for students. I thought you wanted to keep it as it is...

if it takes longer but that extra time can be justified because it can be objectively demonstrated that the result produces some one with a skill level that justifies the extra expense and time then so be it. But the case for more education must be justified.

So how many hours do YOU feel are justifiable to do massage. Like Bert asked, where are your KSA standards? And Carl, you keep asking for them so all KSAs for all modalities would be appreciated. Thanks.

Comment by Carl W. Brown on October 29, 2009 at 10:58am

Mike, “Carl, the differences between massage therapists and body workers comes no where near the differences between Italian art historians and chemists”. There are things in common. They both have to read and write. The art historian may have to know some chemistry to understand the authentication of the age of the paint. Likewise about 10% of the KSAa are applicable to all modalities. There are issues dealing with patient relations, ethics, the law, business practices, confidentiality and sanitary practices.

You are right the word “master” is probably a bad choice, I don’t think we ever reach that state. But I still have a problem when you speak of entry level because there are KSAs that are absolutely required for some modalities and not applicable for others so where is the standard? If the reader has to guess what KSAs are applicable and what competency is required then it is not a standard.

I hope that the second draft at a minimum starts assigning competency levels to the KSAs. Whether the standard increases or decreases the educational requirements is not the issue. If it takes longer but that extra time can be justified because it can be objectively demonstrated that the result produces some one with a skill level that justifies the extra expense and time then so be it. But the case for more education must be justified. As Keith said you must subject your ideas to the same evidence based rules that you advocate and I support.

Comment by Greg Jones on October 29, 2009 at 10:42am

Hi Noel, how do you define or what do you define as massage modalities?

The positive benefit is that we most likely have a significantly wider range of successful massage modalities thriving here than in states that adopted licensure.

Comment by Mike Hinkle on October 29, 2009 at 10:30am

This is the healthcare field. Are you saying there are no therapists doing the same modalities done in CA, anywhere else in the U.S.? I bet I can find someone for every modality that you have there. Esalen. energy, reiki, attunement, tuning forks, crystal work pick something. Only those, voluntarily quitting, will stop practicing.

Licensure will not stop any existing modality. I would not support it, if it did. The path, I follow, is for portability of licensure. I want therapists to be able to practice without having to recertify in every state as they move. Therapists have been asking for this for decades. It is going to happen.

Comment by Noel Norwick on October 29, 2009 at 9:54am

Mike: You're correct that he form of licensure you champion has not yet hurt CA because because it does not exist. The positive benefit is that we most likely have a significantly wider range of successful massage modalities thriving here than in states that adopted licensure. I wonder why you wish to follow the path taken by chiropractic, nursing, physical and occupational therapy?

Comment by Mike Hinkle on October 29, 2009 at 7:15am

Hi Rev,

I remember reading your anti-licensure writings in the other forums and wondered when you would get here.

This is not the 60's! The profession is organizing. Calling it a "bill of goods" is correct, very "goods". And best of all, it is being organized by "Massage Therapists!" Will the ante keep going up? We'll see. You are not licensed. CA certifies, right? So how did licensure hurt CA, when it never has existed there?

I wonder too, how much more these institutions would have been able to achieve, had there been licensure. Sadly, we'll never know. The potential of skilled touch continues....

Good to have you here.

Comment by The Rev on October 29, 2009 at 12:57am

I wonder how well the Esalen Institute and the Human Potential Movement would have fared if CA was under the yolk of licensing in the 60's... Licensing as we have it was never needed, Mr Hinkle. It is a bill of goods that was sold with great success for lack of an organized resistance. One set of standards? Set by who? The state? The orgs? Voluntary or mandatory? Should the increased standard proposed by NCE folk be imposed by law? Should we go with 500 hours? 600? 720? 1000? Does the ante keep going up?

The tragedy of skilled touch continues...

Comment by Mike Hinkle on October 28, 2009 at 11:03pm

Bert, now you are seeing how it all ties together. Licensure, is needed. Then one set of standards. We will never be accepted as professionals until we take these steps first. This will get public attention across the nation. People will realize, we do care and are able to come together to build this profession.

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