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Is massage therapy recognized as an therapeutic /medical procedure???
Is massage therapy recognized as an therapeutic /medical procedure???
This link is to my article on this subject, where I am not only answering this question but also proposing practical steps.
http://medicalmassage-ceu.com/article_new6.htm
You are welcome to post comments: thoughts and questions on the subject. It is important dialog for every one of us.
Best wishes.
Boris
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Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on
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Yea there is Soft Tissue Release, Muscle Release, and Active Release.... They are all basically the same type of therapy.(I've helped a lot of people using those techniques). There is a lot of marketing going on.. As we all know... And Linda, thats what I worry about..Over regulation, and stopping creativity.. Its hard to regulate an ART that's explained scientifically.
Daniel Cohen said:I agree and also prefer less rather than more regulation but I do think modality should refer to classes of massage not each brand of similar application.
Linda LePelley, RN, NMT said:LOL! Daniel, I suspected I'd get called out on one or the other of those examples! Neither one would surprise me (:
My point is simply that I don't want to see variety and innovation stifled because some group or administrative body takes it upon themselves to over-regulate us.
Daniel Cohen said:Linda I agree there is value in many forms of massage. Also people are attracted to massage for different reasons and may respond to a different approach than another person would. Also Therapists may feel more comfortable with one form or another. But should there be so many names that claim to be modalities? I think most can be put into a limited number of classifications rather than depending on brand names. The brand names can be used for marketing but should not each be considered a separate modality. I believe a standard for what makes a modality would be helpful in removing confusion about what is what.
By the way you might be surprised at how many women come to this martial arts based bodyworker for pre-natal work.
Linda LePelley, RN, NMT said:There are hundreds of different massage modalities, and in my opinion, that is a good thing. Until all is known, and a specific protocol can be definitively declared the one and only accurate treatment, thinking people are going to look to improve on the methods they use.
Every person’s reason for seeking massage may be a little different. There are those in need of pain relief ranging everywhere from severe to moderate or mild, and chronic or acute. Then you have those who just want to relax, those who believe it will keep their muscles in good shape, and those who just want to be pampered, or any combination of all these and more.
Also, you must consider the personalities involved. A pregnant woman looking for pre-natal support would likely not go to a body builder whose massage skills are based on centuries-old martial arts, any more than a trucker with sciatica might go into a high-end day spa and ask for the herbal-rose firming massage.
There are many different needs and many different personalities and preferences. Hence, many different modalities. It does not hurt me or my practice if someone is doing massage differently than I am. If they are good and their work is effective, they will and should thrive. If their methods do not produce good results they will not get very far.
It only makes sense that each one of us are going to utilize the modality that we are most comfortable with and get the best results from. As we gain experience and observe results, it is natural and right that we make adaptive changes that continue to improve outcomes.
Boris Prilutsky said:Hello members.
I just got a reply to my post. I believe that a lot of important points was highlighted in this post. Will appreciate if some of you will help us out to understand about 200 modalities and to offer your thoughts on this subject,
Best wishes.
Boris
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Permalink Reply by Boris Prilutsky on
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Linda in regards of the "modalities",I meant nothing,just did try to pinpoint 100s confusing massage therapy names. In case of "modalities", just corrected myself. I do appreciate your reply to my request. I do .My apology if something went not as you expected. In regards of economy being the reason, why people gone out of business, I strongly disagree. Massage therapy is not luxury aesthetic treatments. In this stressful routine, as we speaking and because of disorders, people continue to spend money on doctors, medications, physical therapy. As I pinpoint in my article, we are much cheaper and far effective methodology of treatment for moderate diseases .We just have to find way for health care professionals referrals. I proposed some directions, that was very successful for myself. This is all. Honestly didn't expect and didn't intend to irritate you. I was a bit irritated because of not serious tone of your post. But didn't took personal and didn't want you get upset. Sorry about it.
Best wishes.
Boris
Linda LePelley, RN, NMT said:I do understand the difference between categories and modalities. You have made it clear in these postings that you would like the discussion to focus on your questions. You wrote, "Will appreciate if some of you will help us out to understand about 200 modalities and to offer your thoughts on this subject," I responded to the generalized, "200 modalities" that you mentioned. Therefore, I answered in the same generalized terms established by you, and I provided my thoughts, as you requested.
And, the pregnant woman and truck driver should go to the therapists that provide the treatment they are looking for, whatever that may be, based on their own preferences.
Regarding the fact that so many therapists have gone out of business - it's the economy. People who are struggling to keep their homes, pay the electric bill and put food on the table can't afford massage therapy, no matter how much they need it.
Boris Prilutsky said:Hi Linda.
Thanks for post.
Actually there is hundreds different names to therapies. As you know meaning of word modalities stands for a bit different meaning. For example in physical therapy modalities, we have an electrical stimulations, ultrasound etc. In my opinion it is confusing, for general public as well for health care practitioners to have hundreds different names to therapies. Now for sake of this discussion topic: if it would be good to have hundreds different names to therapies or modalities
why in the last 10 years our industry declining, prices for procedure reduced significant, and many of our colleagues dropping this wonderful occupation?
You said :”There are those in need of pain relief ranging everywhere from severe to moderate or mild, and chronic or acute.” In such a case most likely one in need to receive orthopedic massage. Orthopedic massage stands for, therapy by means of massage for Skeleton muscular disorders . Wouldn't it be kind more clear, and sounds professional?
You said: “Then you have those who just want to relax,”
Relaxation massage, is sounds okay to me, and word therapy not included. Client and massage provider, compromised on “feels good”.
When we talking on debilitating stress-related side effects, then we talking on medical stress management massage. Using the opportunity would like to advice, no matter what type or name of massage therapy you are practicing, spent 50% of time on petrissage techniques, and you will achieve a lot of stress management results.
You said :”A pregnant woman looking for pre-natal support would likely not go to a body builder whose massage skills are based on centuries-old martial arts, any more than a trucker with sciatica might go into a high-end day spa and ask for the herbal-rose firming massage.”
This pregnant woman should look for massage therapists who well trained in pregnancy massage therapy. And trucker with sciatica, should look for fellow massage therapist, who trained in orthopedic massage including protocols for sciatica. Isn't example that I brought, sounds and looks not confusing as well professional? I believe so.
Best wishes.
Boris
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Hi Gordon.
I'm glad that you agree in regards 100s names not helping us to get recognition/referrals.definitely we do not need over regulations we need clients. I hoping my discussion, as well practical steps that I decided to do,will help us to get this recognitions/ referrals.if you will read again my comments to Linda, then you'll find somehow that not important "modality" word, a bit distracted from my non confusing definitions of massage procedures.we have to be clear in this definitions. it will help us to get where we deserved to be.thanks for post.
Best wishes.
Boris
Boris Prilutsky said:Linda in regards of the "modalities",I meant nothing,just did try to pinpoint 100s confusing massage therapy names. In case of "modalities", just corrected myself. I do appreciate your reply to my request. I do .My apology if something went not as you expected. In regards of economy being the reason, why people gone out of business, I strongly disagree. Massage therapy is not luxury aesthetic treatments. In this stressful routine, as we speaking and because of disorders, people continue to spend money on doctors, medications, physical therapy. As I pinpoint in my article, we are much cheaper and far effective methodology of treatment for moderate diseases .We just have to find way for health care professionals referrals. I proposed some directions, that was very successful for myself. This is all. Honestly didn't expect and didn't intend to irritate you. I was a bit irritated because of not serious tone of your post. But didn't took personal and didn't want you get upset. Sorry about it.
Best wishes.
Boris
Linda LePelley, RN, NMT said:I do understand the difference between categories and modalities. You have made it clear in these postings that you would like the discussion to focus on your questions. You wrote, "Will appreciate if some of you will help us out to understand about 200 modalities and to offer your thoughts on this subject," I responded to the generalized, "200 modalities" that you mentioned. Therefore, I answered in the same generalized terms established by you, and I provided my thoughts, as you requested.
And, the pregnant woman and truck driver should go to the therapists that provide the treatment they are looking for, whatever that may be, based on their own preferences.
Regarding the fact that so many therapists have gone out of business - it's the economy. People who are struggling to keep their homes, pay the electric bill and put food on the table can't afford massage therapy, no matter how much they need it.
Boris Prilutsky said:Hi Linda.
Thanks for post.
Actually there is hundreds different names to therapies. As you know meaning of word modalities stands for a bit different meaning. For example in physical therapy modalities, we have an electrical stimulations, ultrasound etc. In my opinion it is confusing, for general public as well for health care practitioners to have hundreds different names to therapies. Now for sake of this discussion topic: if it would be good to have hundreds different names to therapies or modalities
why in the last 10 years our industry declining, prices for procedure reduced significant, and many of our colleagues dropping this wonderful occupation?
You said :”There are those in need of pain relief ranging everywhere from severe to moderate or mild, and chronic or acute.” In such a case most likely one in need to receive orthopedic massage. Orthopedic massage stands for, therapy by means of massage for Skeleton muscular disorders . Wouldn't it be kind more clear, and sounds professional?
You said: “Then you have those who just want to relax,”
Relaxation massage, is sounds okay to me, and word therapy not included. Client and massage provider, compromised on “feels good”.
When we talking on debilitating stress-related side effects, then we talking on medical stress management massage. Using the opportunity would like to advice, no matter what type or name of massage therapy you are practicing, spent 50% of time on petrissage techniques, and you will achieve a lot of stress management results.
You said :”A pregnant woman looking for pre-natal support would likely not go to a body builder whose massage skills are based on centuries-old martial arts, any more than a trucker with sciatica might go into a high-end day spa and ask for the herbal-rose firming massage.”
This pregnant woman should look for massage therapists who well trained in pregnancy massage therapy. And trucker with sciatica, should look for fellow massage therapist, who trained in orthopedic massage including protocols for sciatica. Isn't example that I brought, sounds and looks not confusing as well professional? I believe so.
Best wishes.
Boris
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Permalink Reply by Linda LePelley, RN, NMT on
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Just because I responded to Daniel in a friendly and non-combative manner, it should not have been misconstrued as a lack of seriousness, if that was what irritated you. He made a valid observation, and I had no problem acknowledging that. Was the purpose of asking for opinions simply to parse replies and demonstrate the superiority of your position over that of others? I’m glad the economy hasn’t affected you, but in the world I live in, schools have closed, clinics have closed and therapists have quit because the money isn’t there for it. The fact that massage therapy is the best first line of treatment for musculoskeletal pain does not change that reality. How can we expect to communicate the value of the work we do to doctors and clients if we can’t even have comprehensible discourse amongst ourselves? Whatever, This is your discussion thread, I’ll leave you to it.
Boris Prilutsky said:Linda in regards of the "modalities",I meant nothing,just did try to pinpoint 100s confusing massage therapy names. In case of "modalities", just corrected myself. I do appreciate your reply to my request. I do .My apology if something went not as you expected. In regards of economy being the reason, why people gone out of business, I strongly disagree. Massage therapy is not luxury aesthetic treatments. In this stressful routine, as we speaking and because of disorders, people continue to spend money on doctors, medications, physical therapy. As I pinpoint in my article, we are much cheaper and far effective methodology of treatment for moderate diseases .We just have to find way for health care professionals referrals. I proposed some directions, that was very successful for myself. This is all. Honestly didn't expect and didn't intend to irritate you. I was a bit irritated because of not serious tone of your post. But didn't took personal and didn't want you get upset. Sorry about it.
Best wishes.
Boris
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Permalink Reply by Noel Norwick on
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Daniel:
Please describe exactly how CAMTC discrimination that you allege bankrupted Chinese and Korean massage schools occurred. CAMTC is a State chartered but non-governmental voluntary state wide certification program for massage practitioners: it doesn't regulate massage schools.
I would appreciate your naming the schools you refer to with links to contemporary news reports or publicly available information that objectively presents/reports the facts. If what you claim is true, it's something that we and our trade association should seriously address.
Given that "legitimate" massage schools & practitioners aren't a threat to the public welfare and the State of California would be in the bankruptcy courts if it were a private corporation, I would like to know why you think striving at this time to get the State to create and fund a Regulatory Board for massage practitioners would work to our advantage?
Finally, it seems worth noting that most if not all legislatively mandated regulatory entities in California go through regular "Sunset Reviews". The law authorizing CAMTC will indeed "Sunset" on January 1, 2015 unless the legislature extends that date through new legislation. As you probably know, the Bureau of Private Postsecondary Vocational Education that regulated massage schools was "Sunsetted" some years ago and although unusual, it took a couple of years and lots of difficulties for the Department of Consumer Affairs, school owners and our trade associations to induce the Legislature & Governor to replace it with BPPE that actually does regulate vocational massage schools.
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Boris, I have five clients today? I must accidentally be doing something correctly?
Boris Prilutsky said:Hi Gordon.
This discussion is about, how to get more recognition. We do not argue about great healing power of massage, as well do not discussing techniques that you did apply yesterday on your only one client. In this particular case, question is why yesterday you got only one client?the other question is it possible to survive by seeing only one patient a day. In my article,as well at my upcoming orthopedic massage/physical therapy aide/chiropractor assistant video home program I am offering suggestion.
We have to survive, and because we are representing very powerful healing methodology we also have to sustain ourselves financially as well. Soon when my work will be ready for preview, you will be more than welcome, to discuss, constructive criticism will be welcome, as well to adopt this methodology or just to ignore.
Best wishes.
Boris
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very happy for you.
Gordon J. Wallis said:Boris, I have five clients today? I must accidentally be doing something correctly?
Boris Prilutsky said:Hi Gordon.
This discussion is about, how to get more recognition. We do not argue about great healing power of massage, as well do not discussing techniques that you did apply yesterday on your only one client. In this particular case, question is why yesterday you got only one client?the other question is it possible to survive by seeing only one patient a day. In my article,as well at my upcoming orthopedic massage/physical therapy aide/chiropractor assistant video home program I am offering suggestion.
We have to survive, and because we are representing very powerful healing methodology we also have to sustain ourselves financially as well. Soon when my work will be ready for preview, you will be more than welcome, to discuss, constructive criticism will be welcome, as well to adopt this methodology or just to ignore.
Best wishes.
Boris
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Hi Linda.
I really cannot understand what you are talking about:” Just because I responded to Daniel in a friendly and non-combative manner” it is outrageous to claim something like this. I have replied on your post, and was very respectful.
We all always have to to be friendly each to other especially at professional conversations .. In regards of reality that you are talking about:” we can and must to change it.” This is my strong opinion. I know, concept proposed in my article works not only for me but for others who went this way. Therefore I am working hard to produce this educational home program. You can disagree with me, but this is not a reason, not to be friend with me or not to be friendly. At the time of professional discussions I can talk categorically, but this in no case make me not respectful or something like this. Sweet talks, and politically correct is not my strong point.read your reply of yesterday,You got irritated because I defined that we are talking not on modalities, but on the many names for our treatments. And I stated that you should not react this way, because I did corrected myself,and did so in order to have more precise focus on discussion. If you will read again your original post, I mean your tone etc. maybe you will also agree with me that this is not really serious tone for professional discussion. On other hand this is my personal opinion and maybe I'm wrong, but I still believe in it, it wasn't serious tone but I didn't took personally, or reacted in not acceptable way. All our posts there, please review,and direct me where I was wrong.
Best wishes.
Boris
Linda LePelley, RN, NMT said:Just because I responded to Daniel in a friendly and non-combative manner, it should not have been misconstrued as a lack of seriousness, if that was what irritated you. He made a valid observation, and I had no problem acknowledging that. Was the purpose of asking for opinions simply to parse replies and demonstrate the superiority of your position over that of others? I’m glad the economy hasn’t affected you, but in the world I live in, schools have closed, clinics have closed and therapists have quit because the money isn’t there for it. The fact that massage therapy is the best first line of treatment for musculoskeletal pain does not change that reality. How can we expect to communicate the value of the work we do to doctors and clients if we can’t even have comprehensible discourse amongst ourselves? Whatever, This is your discussion thread, I’ll leave you to it.
Boris Prilutsky said:Linda in regards of the "modalities",I meant nothing,just did try to pinpoint 100s confusing massage therapy names. In case of "modalities", just corrected myself. I do appreciate your reply to my request. I do .My apology if something went not as you expected. In regards of economy being the reason, why people gone out of business, I strongly disagree. Massage therapy is not luxury aesthetic treatments. In this stressful routine, as we speaking and because of disorders, people continue to spend money on doctors, medications, physical therapy. As I pinpoint in my article, we are much cheaper and far effective methodology of treatment for moderate diseases .We just have to find way for health care professionals referrals. I proposed some directions, that was very successful for myself. This is all. Honestly didn't expect and didn't intend to irritate you. I was a bit irritated because of not serious tone of your post. But didn't took personal and didn't want you get upset. Sorry about it.
Best wishes.
Boris
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Hi Linda.
I really cannot understand what you are talking about: Clearly
” Just because I responded to Daniel in a friendly and non-combative manner” it is outrageous to claim something like this. I have replied on your post, and was very respectful. You stated that my, “not serious tone” irritated you. I could only guess that you were referring to when I laughed and gave Daniel a smiley-face.
We all always have to to be friendly each to other especially at professional conversations. That would be preferable.
In regards of reality that you are talking about:” we can and must to change it.” This is my strong opinion. I know, concept proposed in my article works not only for me but for others who went this way. Therefore I am working hard to produce this educational home program. You can disagree with me, but this is not a reason, not to be friend with me or not to be friendly. At the time of professional discussions I can talk categorically, but this in no case make me not respectful or something like this. Sweet talks, and politically correct is not my strong point.read your reply of yesterday,You got irritated because I defined that we are talking not on modalities, but on the many names for our treatments. No, Boris, I got irritated because when I responded to your post - “Will appreciate if some of you will help us out to understand about 200 modalities and to offer your thoughts on this subject,” with my thoughts - per your invitation- you proceeded to school me on the differences between categories and modalities.
And I stated that you should not react this way, because I did corrected myself,and did so in order to have more precise focus on discussion. Really? Are you telling me how I should react?
If you will read again your original post, I mean your tone etc. maybe you will also agree with me that this is not really serious tone for professional discussion. On other hand this is my personal opinion and maybe I'm wrong, but I still believe in it, it wasn't serious tone but I didn't took personally, or reacted in not acceptable way. All our posts there, please review,and direct me where I was wrong. OK - I’ve re-read my original post. It was my opinion that you asked for, and that’s what you got and I stand behind it. If you object to my tone, well, that’s your problem.
Best wishes. You can say you are polite and friendly all you want, but being dictatorial and dismissive, and declaring that my professional discussion wasn’t serious - is neither.
I’ll understand if you don’t like my tone.
Boris Prilutsky said:Hi Linda.
I really cannot understand what you are talking about:” Just because I responded to Daniel in a friendly and non-combative manner” it is outrageous to claim something like this. I have replied on your post, and was very respectful.
We all always have to to be friendly each to other especially at professional conversations .. In regards of reality that you are talking about:” we can and must to change it.” This is my strong opinion. I know, concept proposed in my article works not only for me but for others who went this way. Therefore I am working hard to produce this educational home program. You can disagree with me, but this is not a reason, not to be friend with me or not to be friendly. At the time of professional discussions I can talk categorically, but this in no case make me not respectful or something like this. Sweet talks, and politically correct is not my strong point.read your reply of yesterday,You got irritated because I defined that we are talking not on modalities, but on the many names for our treatments. And I stated that you should not react this way, because I did corrected myself,and did so in order to have more precise focus on discussion. If you will read again your original post, I mean your tone etc. maybe you will also agree with me that this is not really serious tone for professional discussion. On other hand this is my personal opinion and maybe I'm wrong, but I still believe in it, it wasn't serious tone but I didn't took personally, or reacted in not acceptable way. All our posts there, please review,and direct me where I was wrong.
Best wishes.
Boris
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Boris, I read your link.. Its appropriate for new therapists.
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Hi Gordon.
Thank you for reading my post. Slightly disagree that my program is appropriate for new therapists only. Whatever new therapists means. Of course, if you already trained,in appropriate biomechanics including job-related injury prevention, classic kneading/petrissage techniques, lymphedema size management techniques, trigger point therapy, fascia release techniques, including techniques for superficial fascia, as well deep fascia release, if you are familiar with physical therapy equipment, then no matter if you a new or the veteran, you probably do not have a need in this training. Also if you know the full orthopedic massage protocol on knee region, neck and upper back, lower back, shoulder and additionally already know rehabilitative exercise on all this regions, then no matter you are new or experienced you don't need my program. But if you would like to advance in your career including to have more financial gain, by receiving recognition/referrals from healthcare professionals then will be good for you to take my training. All mentioned above modalities, in details step-by-step I am teaching at this program. It is pretty huge project and only part 1.
Best wishes.
Boris
Gordon J. Wallis said:Boris, I read your link.. Its appropriate for new therapists.
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Permalink Reply by Gary W Addis, LMT on
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Daniel,first I want to say that I am not trying to pick a fight with you. I understand your passion re: this subject. Having driven into/out of CA for 24 years, I believe CA to be a great place to live.
Here on the Gulf Coast, in FL and El Paso and in many other communities, the overwhelming majority of the sex practitioners who operate under the banner massage therapy are Oriental (chiefly Korean). In fact, I watched a TV special the other day about the importation of young brown-skinned women (mostly Oriental) for unlicensed massage parlors. A few years ago when I was trucking for a living, in the Ontario, CA Truckstops of America, a group of Orientals set up a massage clinic--for $75, the driver stepped behind the curtain to a massage table; after 5 minutes of amateurish rubbing, the girl reached for the crotch, unasked. Thirty minutes into the operation, a driver complained and they were run off. These pimping operations entice their victims with promises and imprison them with violence, low pay, drugs and the women's inability to communicate in English.
I surely do not agree that non-English speaking massage schools ought to be in operation. Surely you don't think the board exams should be given in a variety of languages?
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