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Is massage therapy recognized as an therapeutic /medical procedure???
Is massage therapy recognized as an therapeutic /medical procedure???
This link is to my article on this subject, where I am not only answering this question but also proposing practical steps.
http://medicalmassage-ceu.com/article_new6.htm
You are welcome to post comments: thoughts and questions on the subject. It is important dialog for every one of us.
Best wishes.
Boris
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Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on
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In two years one can get an associats degree. In four a bachelors, five a masters, six a Doctors PHD. Anyone that has been working in our field 15 years or more should be familiar enough with what you are teaching.. Thats all I ment. I'm not disagreeing with anything you are teaching. Ok, its back to work.. Everyone have a great day! You too Boris..
Hi Gordon.
Thank you for reading my post. Slightly disagree that my program is appropriate for new therapists only. Whatever new therapists means. Of course, if you already trained,in appropriate biomechanics including job-related injury prevention, classic kneading/petrissage techniques, lymphedema size management techniques, trigger point therapy, fascia release techniques, including techniques for superficial fascia, as well deep fascia release, if you are familiar with physical therapy equipment, then no matter if you a new or the veteran, you probably do not have a need in this training. Also if you know the full orthopedic massage protocol on knee region, neck and upper back, lower back, shoulder and additionally already know rehabilitative exercise on all this regions, then no matter you are new or experienced you don't need my program. But if you would like to advance in your career including to have more financial gain, by receiving recognition/referrals from healthcare professionals then will be good for you to take my training. All mentioned above modalities, in details step-by-step I am teaching at this program. It is pretty huge project and only part 1.
Best wishes.
Boris
Gordon J. Wallis said:Boris, I read your link.. Its appropriate for new therapists.
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Permalink Reply by Daniel Cohen on
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Don't worry Gary, I don't take it that way. I know you too well for that.
I wont get into a discussion about cultural differences and opportunities a variety of nationalities see in America to provide for families back home. Nor do I want to divert this to home grown sex trade or legal violations.
I did not say I want multi language tests. At this time there is no test in California for state certification. Only passing a curriculum approved by the state board which all of these schools are approved by. In effect they are becoming enslaved because their employment opportunities are dropping along with pay. Most of these therapists are currently city licensed. Many passed the local county or city tests. But they are not state certified and that is an issue if local licensing gets phased out. In L.A. we have many very respectable Korean spas where few nonKoreans go. Simply being Korean or Chinese does not make them criminals until convicted. At least that was still part of American law the last time I checked.
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Permalink Reply by Gary W Addis, LMT on
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You're right, of course. The surprising thing to me is that California, which has a reputation for liking controlling legislation, is so resistant to this regulation. If I drop out of school and move to one of a number of states I could have begun my practice 9 months ago.
Maybe if there were levels of practice established?--but no, as you say chiros are doing in CA, those with money would become WalMarts and undercut the market for everyone-- minimum wage for the therapist plus 10% for the boss! So, the regulations are there to protect therapist and customer alike.
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Permalink Reply by Boris Prilutsky on
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Gordon. You said:"Anyone that has been working in our field 15 years or more should be familiar enough with what you are.."
Interesting.whyit must to be 15 years?why couldn't it be 14 years or 13 years etc.?
As you stated you are in business for more then 30 years, and only lately you started reaching results. This is your words. I can assure you and no matter how many years one in business, if one will apply classic kneading/petrissage techniques training, lymphedema size management techniques, trigger point therapy, fascia release techniques, including techniques for superficial fascia, as well deep fascia release, ice and hot application, one reaching results rapidly, because this techniques addressing causes for pain, dysfunction, including limited range of motion.
I mean no matter how many years one in practice, if you are applying these techniques with understanding/sense of touch you reaching results and immediately. If only lately you started reaching results then you didn't know this techniques. Having said this, I know that some small percentage of therapist having unusual gift and somehow, performing this techniques with no specific training.You remember in one of discussions I offered story about old gypsy lady, who performed classic orthopedic massage with no formal training. Very low percentage of people somehow by only placing hands can reach huge results, but most of us need training. And not everyone who 15 years in business, with no having training, or special gift will know this techniques. This is the reason I'm sharing my knowledge by teaching this program, which will allow us to get place we deserve in healthcare system and not less important, will allow us to make money.
Best wishes.
Boris
Gordon J. Wallis said:In two years one can get an associats degree. In four a bachelors, five a masters, six a Doctors PHD. Anyone that has been working in our field 15 years or more should be familiar enough with what you are teaching.. Thats all I ment. I'm not disagreeing with anything you are teaching. Ok, its back to work.. Everyone have a great day! You too Boris..
Hi Gordon.
Thank you for reading my post. Slightly disagree that my program is appropriate for new therapists only. Whatever new therapists means. Of course, if you already trained,in appropriate biomechanics including job-related injury prevention, classic kneading/petrissage techniques, lymphedema size management techniques, trigger point therapy, fascia release techniques, including techniques for superficial fascia, as well deep fascia release, if you are familiar with physical therapy equipment, then no matter if you a new or the veteran, you probably do not have a need in this training. Also if you know the full orthopedic massage protocol on knee region, neck and upper back, lower back, shoulder and additionally already know rehabilitative exercise on all this regions, then no matter you are new or experienced you don't need my program. But if you would like to advance in your career including to have more financial gain, by receiving recognition/referrals from healthcare professionals then will be good for you to take my training. All mentioned above modalities, in details step-by-step I am teaching at this program. It is pretty huge project and only part 1.
Best wishes.
Boris
Gordon J. Wallis said:Boris, I read your link.. Its appropriate for new therapists.
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One of the things I like so much about bodywork is no matter how much i have learned I find there is still more. The complexity of the body and the many different ways we can help with injury and illness using soft tissue manipulation continually amazes me. Even after years of practice I will find something different in a class that adds to my tools or reminds me of something I hadn't been using for a while. The young Therapists today have so much to help them in the profession that was not available when I took my first massage class 38 years ago. Thanks to the dedication of Therapists, like Boris who use the modern high tech world of video, internet and more to teach and inspire.
Each time I teach a class I also learn from my students. They may still be in entry curriculum classes or have practiced longer than I have. But together we enlighten in matters we had not previously been exposed to or had not connected with.
There is always more to learn and that I think keeps life interesting.
Boris Prilutsky said:Gordon. You said:"Anyone that has been working in our field 15 years or more should be familiar enough with what you are.."
Interesting.whyit must to be 15 years?why couldn't it be 14 years or 13 years etc.?
As you stated you are in business for more then 30 years, and only lately you started reaching results. This is your words. I can assure you and no matter how many years one in business, if one will apply classic kneading/petrissage techniques training, lymphedema size management techniques, trigger point therapy, fascia release techniques, including techniques for superficial fascia, as well deep fascia release, ice and hot application, one reaching results rapidly, because this techniques addressing causes for pain, dysfunction, including limited range of motion.
I mean no matter how many years one in practice, if you are applying these techniques with understanding/sense of touch you reaching results and immediately. If only lately you started reaching results then you didn't know this techniques. Having said this, I know that some small percentage of therapist having unusual gift and somehow, performing this techniques with no specific training.You remember in one of discussions I offered story about old gypsy lady, who performed classic orthopedic massage with no formal training. Very low percentage of people somehow by only placing hands can reach huge results, but most of us need training. And not everyone who 15 years in business, with no having training, or special gift will know this techniques. This is the reason I'm sharing my knowledge by teaching this program, which will allow us to get place we deserve in healthcare system and not less important, will allow us to make money.
Best wishes.
Boris
Gordon J. Wallis said:In two years one can get an associats degree. In four a bachelors, five a masters, six a Doctors PHD. Anyone that has been working in our field 15 years or more should be familiar enough with what you are teaching.. Thats all I ment. I'm not disagreeing with anything you are teaching. Ok, its back to work.. Everyone have a great day! You too Boris..
Hi Gordon.
Thank you for reading my post. Slightly disagree that my program is appropriate for new therapists only. Whatever new therapists means. Of course, if you already trained,in appropriate biomechanics including job-related injury prevention, classic kneading/petrissage techniques, lymphedema size management techniques, trigger point therapy, fascia release techniques, including techniques for superficial fascia, as well deep fascia release, if you are familiar with physical therapy equipment, then no matter if you a new or the veteran, you probably do not have a need in this training. Also if you know the full orthopedic massage protocol on knee region, neck and upper back, lower back, shoulder and additionally already know rehabilitative exercise on all this regions, then no matter you are new or experienced you don't need my program. But if you would like to advance in your career including to have more financial gain, by receiving recognition/referrals from healthcare professionals then will be good for you to take my training. All mentioned above modalities, in details step-by-step I am teaching at this program. It is pretty huge project and only part 1.
Best wishes.
Boris
Gordon J. Wallis said:Boris, I read your link.. Its appropriate for new therapists.
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Hi Daniel.
Thank you for appreciating my work. In any case as you said, it wasn't like this39 years ago, it's for sure wasn't like this 20 years ago, as well 15 years ago. No one talked about clinical aspects of orthopedic massage, it was confused with sports massage. Today is opposite,100s of different alternative names that excluding massage therapy definition. But this is not a point. Gary you and Noel, are good friends of mine. It doesn't mean that always we agree, but it is proven that we are friends. I mean I know you in different ways, some of you personal, but I learn that you are people with principles, and ready to change your mind, as well were capable to change my mind. Please explain to me, why some time at professional sites discussions people demonstrating animosity , and not tolerance to discussions.
Having rich academic and research background, as well 20 years from my 40 years of clinical experience ,was working 11 hours per day with Olympian teams, I have acquired huge body of knowledge and really love to share with others. And if somebody challenging me at professional discussion I do appreciate it but if some of the people bringing bad energy, sick human ego and not appreciating what I am doing as well trying to distract then it's coming out to animosity and sometimes to the level of stability. Usually professional discussion goes in the manner like:” if one said you wrong then one have to propose what is in her/his opinion is correct. Otherwise it will be disrespectful pure distraction . Please offer your opinion on subject. Very curious, to know what you are thinking. Up front thank you.
In my opinion ,the great example how it's supposed to be is a link below when a very nice lady asked question related to massage therapy affects on glucose metabolism. Was positive and productive energy and everyone who will view it can learn,or offering different opinion, or can challenging proposed information if this is not correct information.
http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/does-massage-affec...
Why not to behave this way ???
Best wishes.
Boris
PS.BTW.in my opinion if we providing therapy by means of massage, we must stop using bodywork, as an definition on what we are doing. Hope it will change your mind to use this work in the future.
Daniel Cohen said:One of the things I like so much about bodywork is no matter how much i have learned I find there is still more. The complexity of the body and the many different ways we can help with injury and illness using soft tissue manipulation continually amazes me. Even after years of practice I will find something different in a class that adds to my tools or reminds me of something I hadn't been using for a while. The young Therapists today have so much to help them in the profession that was not available when I took my first massage class 38 years ago. Thanks to the dedication of Therapists, like Boris who use the modern high tech world of video, internet and more to teach and inspire.
Each time I teach a class I also learn from my students. They may still be in entry curriculum classes or have practiced longer than I have. But together we enlighten in matters we had not previously been exposed to or had not connected with.
There is always more to learn and that I think keeps life interesting.
Boris Prilutsky said:Gordon. You said:"Anyone that has been working in our field 15 years or more should be familiar enough with what you are.."
Interesting.whyit must to be 15 years?why couldn't it be 14 years or 13 years etc.?
As you stated you are in business for more then 30 years, and only lately you started reaching results. This is your words. I can assure you and no matter how many years one in business, if one will apply classic kneading/petrissage techniques training, lymphedema size management techniques, trigger point therapy, fascia release techniques, including techniques for superficial fascia, as well deep fascia release, ice and hot application, one reaching results rapidly, because this techniques addressing causes for pain, dysfunction, including limited range of motion.
I mean no matter how many years one in practice, if you are applying these techniques with understanding/sense of touch you reaching results and immediately. If only lately you started reaching results then you didn't know this techniques. Having said this, I know that some small percentage of therapist having unusual gift and somehow, performing this techniques with no specific training.You remember in one of discussions I offered story about old gypsy lady, who performed classic orthopedic massage with no formal training. Very low percentage of people somehow by only placing hands can reach huge results, but most of us need training. And not everyone who 15 years in business, with no having training, or special gift will know this techniques. This is the reason I'm sharing my knowledge by teaching this program, which will allow us to get place we deserve in healthcare system and not less important, will allow us to make money.
Best wishes.
Boris
Gordon J. Wallis said:In two years one can get an associats degree. In four a bachelors, five a masters, six a Doctors PHD. Anyone that has been working in our field 15 years or more should be familiar enough with what you are teaching.. Thats all I ment. I'm not disagreeing with anything you are teaching. Ok, its back to work.. Everyone have a great day! You too Boris..
Hi Gordon.
Thank you for reading my post. Slightly disagree that my program is appropriate for new therapists only. Whatever new therapists means. Of course, if you already trained,in appropriate biomechanics including job-related injury prevention, classic kneading/petrissage techniques, lymphedema size management techniques, trigger point therapy, fascia release techniques, including techniques for superficial fascia, as well deep fascia release, if you are familiar with physical therapy equipment, then no matter if you a new or the veteran, you probably do not have a need in this training. Also if you know the full orthopedic massage protocol on knee region, neck and upper back, lower back, shoulder and additionally already know rehabilitative exercise on all this regions, then no matter you are new or experienced you don't need my program. But if you would like to advance in your career including to have more financial gain, by receiving recognition/referrals from healthcare professionals then will be good for you to take my training. All mentioned above modalities, in details step-by-step I am teaching at this program. It is pretty huge project and only part 1.
Best wishes.
Boris
Gordon J. Wallis said:Boris, I read your link.. Its appropriate for new therapists.
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Permalink Reply by Therese Schwartz on
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Boris, I really appreciate your willingness to share what you've learned! For those of us who have only been doing this a few years, it's just fantastic to have resources like you!
I think things are really changing in our field, not just massage. The awareness of and knowledge of CranioSacral Therapy is also growing (although there are still very few people in my area trained in it!!). Same for Myofascial Release. This is a really exciting time to be a massage therapist!
I think you are spot on with the sick human ego comment. I'm sure that's going to get some attention! But all of us have ego problems of one sort or another, and we have to work hard to overcome them. In the process of my own personal growth I've recently realized that the ego causes us to think "What can't I do?" or "What's not possible?", "What are my limitations?". The higher self, higher wisdom, whatever you want to call it, says "What can I do?", "What is possible?", "What can I achieve?". The ego limits us and make us smaller.
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I think it is because we are all so passionate about what we do that emotions easily flair. We go on an aggressive defense and quickly misinterpret or see a threat. We go into the fight or flight modes. We are so quick in this field to see opposition that we can't see the support. Many things have created this defense mechanism but we should approach with logic and an open mind.
Sometimes I think we are not reading what is intended here but rather suddenly allowing frustrations to vent in the safe environment of fellow Therapists.Your friend & fellow Therapist,
Dan Cohen
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Boris, there is more then one way to skin a cat. I've said many times learning never stops...and of course like Daniel said.. We can learn from anybody, reguardless of their experience... I just wonder if you can learn? You come across., weather you mean to or not. That you know everything already?.. And if anybody does or says something differently from what you know or have experienced, you dismiss it rather abruptly. And as I stated, I'm not arguing with anything that you are teaching. Not at all.. You just come across like its your way or the high way...You allow no discussion unless it fits what you think is correct...Im sure what you do is highly effective..I would see you over a chiropractor any day..Really. For me personally, I've always gotten good results.I'm just much more efficient now...as Im sure you are, and other people in here.. I never tell anybody what to do , as far as massage goes... I just tell what I do.. thats all....One very fast and cool technique that Ive discoverd about a year ago is... If someone has SI joint pain, say in the left hip.. I simply pull up on the tissue(musculature) on the inside of the right knee, and the SI joint pain in the left hip vanishes...Years ago it would take me much longer to help someone with SI joint pain.. Now it takes seconds...If I have a client that has a trigger point on the spinal erectors at the L4 L5 level.. I torque the tissues at the L2 level on the spinal erectors and the L4 L5 trigger point goes away...I'm always excited to go to work..Because I do keep learning...I'm not suggesting that what I do is the best way...Because I may find a better way tomorrow...I just like to tell people what I do...And who knows, maybe my excitement about my work will inspire people to purchase your dvds... Gosh I have $4,000.00 worth DVDs at home that I re look at all the time.. I haven't even learned all those techniques and concepts yet. DVDs are a great way to learn.. At least for me. Unlike a live seminar, I can rewind and review.....Boris I love my work,, I know you do too....I know what you do works.. I know it... I know its effective... But I also know that Myokinesthetics works ,and is highly effective. Its magical.. And its way different then your protocols and techniques.. There is more then one way to skin a cat.. In fifteen minutes I have to shower and get ready for work.. And Im excited about it.. Im not challenging you or your techniques, or what you are teaching..Please know that... K, gotta go... Everyone reading this.. Have a great Day!! lol
Daniel Cohen said:One of the things I like so much about bodywork is no matter how much i have learned I find there is still more. The complexity of the body and the many different ways we can help with injury and illness using soft tissue manipulation continually amazes me. Even after years of practice I will find something different in a class that adds to my tools or reminds me of something I hadn't been using for a while. The young Therapists today have so much to help them in the profession that was not available when I took my first massage class 38 years ago. Thanks to the dedication of Therapists, like Boris who use the modern high tech world of video, internet and more to teach and inspire.
Each time I teach a class I also learn from my students. They may still be in entry curriculum classes or have practiced longer than I have. But together we enlighten in matters we had not previously been exposed to or had not connected with.
There is always more to learn and that I think keeps life interesting.
Boris Prilutsky said:Gordon. You said:"Anyone that has been working in our field 15 years or more should be familiar enough with what you are.."
Interesting.whyit must to be 15 years?why couldn't it be 14 years or 13 years etc.?
As you stated you are in business for more then 30 years, and only lately you started reaching results. This is your words. I can assure you and no matter how many years one in business, if one will apply classic kneading/petrissage techniques training, lymphedema size management techniques, trigger point therapy, fascia release techniques, including techniques for superficial fascia, as well deep fascia release, ice and hot application, one reaching results rapidly, because this techniques addressing causes for pain, dysfunction, including limited range of motion.
I mean no matter how many years one in practice, if you are applying these techniques with understanding/sense of touch you reaching results and immediately. If only lately you started reaching results then you didn't know this techniques. Having said this, I know that some small percentage of therapist having unusual gift and somehow, performing this techniques with no specific training.You remember in one of discussions I offered story about old gypsy lady, who performed classic orthopedic massage with no formal training. Very low percentage of people somehow by only placing hands can reach huge results, but most of us need training. And not everyone who 15 years in business, with no having training, or special gift will know this techniques. This is the reason I'm sharing my knowledge by teaching this program, which will allow us to get place we deserve in healthcare system and not less important, will allow us to make money.
Best wishes.
Boris
Gordon J. Wallis said:In two years one can get an associats degree. In four a bachelors, five a masters, six a Doctors PHD. Anyone that has been working in our field 15 years or more should be familiar enough with what you are teaching.. Thats all I ment. I'm not disagreeing with anything you are teaching. Ok, its back to work.. Everyone have a great day! You too Boris..
Hi Gordon.
Thank you for reading my post. Slightly disagree that my program is appropriate for new therapists only. Whatever new therapists means. Of course, if you already trained,in appropriate biomechanics including job-related injury prevention, classic kneading/petrissage techniques, lymphedema size management techniques, trigger point therapy, fascia release techniques, including techniques for superficial fascia, as well deep fascia release, if you are familiar with physical therapy equipment, then no matter if you a new or the veteran, you probably do not have a need in this training. Also if you know the full orthopedic massage protocol on knee region, neck and upper back, lower back, shoulder and additionally already know rehabilitative exercise on all this regions, then no matter you are new or experienced you don't need my program. But if you would like to advance in your career including to have more financial gain, by receiving recognition/referrals from healthcare professionals then will be good for you to take my training. All mentioned above modalities, in details step-by-step I am teaching at this program. It is pretty huge project and only part 1.
Best wishes.
Boris
Gordon J. Wallis said:Boris, I read your link.. Its appropriate for new therapists.
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Yea, a lot of interesting and passionate people that love their work have left this site.. I really hope that Im not bothering anyone in here?...I can shut up for sure if I am? I don't want to be an irritation. Also, its not so easy to read emotional content with just the typed word..Its not like talking with someone face to face. Ok, now I gotta go....lol
Daniel Cohen said:I think it is because we are all so passionate about what we do that emotions easily flair. We go on an aggressive defense and quickly misinterpret or see a threat. We go into the fight or flight modes. We are so quick in this field to see opposition that we can't see the support. Many things have created this defense mechanism but we should approach with logic and an open mind.
Sometimes I think we are not reading what is intended here but rather suddenly allowing frustrations to vent in the safe environment of fellow Therapists.Your friend & fellow Therapist,
Dan Cohen
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Gordon: It seems to me that the strong emotions expressed during this discussion have usefully made the point that massage is not generally recognized by the medical community, government or even many massage practitioners as a medical procedure/therapy. Additionally, that there are many in the field who, for a variety of reasons, may not wish to work in collaboration with or under the direction of medical doctors, insurance companies, and/or government funded medical programs.
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Gordon.this what you are doing. This post is an example of disrespectful destruction . You only yesterday posted, that everyone who in business 16 years knows this techniques and principles of orthopedic massage, as I am presented it in this discussion. And now suddenly you talking about, many ways to skin the cat. Let's stay on subject of your statement.
Below is content of my program.are you trained in all this modalities as you claiming ?If yes let's open clinical type of discussion on it. Of course if you are not trained in this disciplines, please let's not do it. Also you admited that only yesterday you have read my post, but did reply like three or five times. Why you commented before reading it ? This is nonprofessional destructive behavior .If you trained let's talk if not please do not start . Just open up your own discussions, and tell to everyone how great you are.
Please read careful .
upcoming orthopedic massage/physical therapy aid/chiropractor assistant program content.
appropriate biomechanics including job-related injury prevention, 2.classic kneading/petrissage techniques training, lymphedema size management techniques, trigger point therapy, fascia release techniques, including techniques for superficial fascia, as well deep fascia release, utilization of physical therapy equipment, full orthopedic massage protocol on knee region, neck and upper back, lower back, shoulder , rehabilitative exercise on all this regions.
In regards of me not to be tolerant to other opinions, is factually not true. I am not tolerant to claims like you did in following discussion.
http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/response-to-knot-i...
you not only didn't allow and destruct post by Dr. Ross, who is extremely knowledgeable and beneficial for our community expert, but also tried to install nonsense by claiming “clasp knife reflex” should be used to immediate results including in trigger point therapy . Also you proposed that this is secret methodology , if to reveal one have to pay $300. Why I confronted this nonsense? Because maybe some therapist will adopt this idea of brain lesion related “clasp knife reflex” and will continue to repeat it. I'm not only said this is nonsense, but also I did explain in detail why this is nonsense, and we shouldn't use it.
Please click the link for a refreshment of memory. If you can please do not continue to participate in this discussion. It just come to the point that you start bother . I mean you just a few minutes ago asked if you bother, absolutely you do.
Gordon J. Wallis said:Boris, there is more then one way to skin a cat. I've said many times learning never stops...and of course like Daniel said.. We can learn from anybody, reguardless of their experience... I just wonder if you can learn? You come across., weather you mean to or not. That you know everything already?.. And if anybody does or says something differently from what you know or have experienced, you dismiss it rather abruptly. And as I stated, I'm not arguing with anything that you are teaching. Not at all.. You just come across like its your way or the high way...You allow no discussion unless it fits what you think is correct...Im sure what you do is highly effective..I would see you over a chiropractor any day..Really. For me personally, I've always gotten good results.I'm just much more efficient now...as Im sure you are, and other people in here.. I never tell anybody what to do , as far as massage goes... I just tell what I do.. thats all....One very fast and cool technique that Ive discoverd about a year ago is... If someone has SI joint pain, say in the left hip.. I simply pull up on the tissue(musculature) on the inside of the right knee, and the SI joint pain in the left hip vanishes...Years ago it would take me much longer to help someone with SI joint pain.. Now it takes seconds...If I have a client that has a trigger point on the spinal erectors at the L4 L5 level.. I torque the tissues at the L2 level on the spinal erectors and the L4 L5 trigger point goes away...I'm always excited to go to work..Because I do keep learning...I'm not suggesting that what I do is the best way...Because I may find a better way tomorrow...I just like to tell people what I do...And who knows, maybe my excitement about my work will inspire people to purchase your dvds... Gosh I have $4,000.00 worth DVDs at home that I re look at all the time.. I haven't even learned all those techniques and concepts yet. DVDs are a great way to learn.. At least for me. Unlike a live seminar, I can rewind and review.....Boris I love my work,, I know you do too....I know what you do works.. I know it... I know its effective... But I also know that Myokinesthetics works ,and is highly effective. Its magical.. And its way different then your protocols and techniques.. There is more then one way to skin a cat.. In fifteen minutes I have to shower and get ready for work.. And Im excited about it.. Im not challenging you or your techniques, or what you are teaching..Please know that... K, gotta go... Everyone reading this.. Have a great Day!! lol
Daniel Cohen said:One of the things I like so much about bodywork is no matter how much i have learned I find there is still more. The complexity of the body and the many different ways we can help with injury and illness using soft tissue manipulation continually amazes me. Even after years of practice I will find something different in a class that adds to my tools or reminds me of something I hadn't been using for a while. The young Therapists today have so much to help them in the profession that was not available when I took my first massage class 38 years ago. Thanks to the dedication of Therapists, like Boris who use the modern high tech world of video, internet and more to teach and inspire.
Each time I teach a class I also learn from my students. They may still be in entry curriculum classes or have practiced longer than I have. But together we enlighten in matters we had not previously been exposed to or had not connected with.
There is always more to learn and that I think keeps life interesting.
Boris Prilutsky said:Gordon. You said:"Anyone that has been working in our field 15 years or more should be familiar enough with what you are.."
Interesting.whyit must to be 15 years?why couldn't it be 14 years or 13 years etc.?
As you stated you are in business for more then 30 years, and only lately you started reaching results. This is your words. I can assure you and no matter how many years one in business, if one will apply classic kneading/petrissage techniques training, lymphedema size management techniques, trigger point therapy, fascia release techniques, including techniques for superficial fascia, as well deep fascia release, ice and hot application, one reaching results rapidly, because this techniques addressing causes for pain, dysfunction, including limited range of motion.
I mean no matter how many years one in practice, if you are applying these techniques with understanding/sense of touch you reaching results and immediately. If only lately you started reaching results then you didn't know this techniques. Having said this, I know that some small percentage of therapist having unusual gift and somehow, performing this techniques with no specific training.You remember in one of discussions I offered story about old gypsy lady, who performed classic orthopedic massage with no formal training. Very low percentage of people somehow by only placing hands can reach huge results, but most of us need training. And not everyone who 15 years in business, with no having training, or special gift will know this techniques. This is the reason I'm sharing my knowledge by teaching this program, which will allow us to get place we deserve in healthcare system and not less important, will allow us to make money.
Best wishes.
Boris
Gordon J. Wallis said:In two years one can get an associats degree. In four a bachelors, five a masters, six a Doctors PHD. Anyone that has been working in our field 15 years or more should be familiar enough with what you are teaching.. Thats all I ment. I'm not disagreeing with anything you are teaching. Ok, its back to work.. Everyone have a great day! You too Boris..
Hi Gordon.
Thank you for reading my post. Slightly disagree that my program is appropriate for new therapists only. Whatever new therapists means. Of course, if you already trained,in appropriate biomechanics including job-related injury prevention, classic kneading/petrissage techniques, lymphedema size management techniques, trigger point therapy, fascia release techniques, including techniques for superficial fascia, as well deep fascia release, if you are familiar with physical therapy equipment, then no matter if you a new or the veteran, you probably do not have a need in this training. Also if you know the full orthopedic massage protocol on knee region, neck and upper back, lower back, shoulder and additionally already know rehabilitative exercise on all this regions, then no matter you are new or experienced you don't need my program. But if you would like to advance in your career including to have more financial gain, by receiving recognition/referrals from healthcare professionals then will be good for you to take my training. All mentioned above modalities, in details step-by-step I am teaching at this program. It is pretty huge project and only part 1.
Best wishes.
Boris
Gordon J. Wallis said:Boris, I read your link.. Its appropriate for new therapists.
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