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Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on
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Well don't get me wrong. There are a lot of good doctors out there, my best friend is a medical doctor.... But like any profession, some are better then others. Its kind of like... You can get the attorneys I get, or you can get the ones that OJ Simpson gets.. There's a difference. Along those same lines.. There is a physical therapist I know of that wrote a book on TMJ.. I called him up to offer my services to his patients.. He told me massage doesnt help TMJ at all.. I told him gosh, thats not my experience.. He said I DONT BELIEVE YOU, YOU'RE A LIRE, AND HUNG UP. My goodness. And at one point in my career I introduced myself to an orthopedic surgeon and offered him my services for his surgery patients.. He looked me in the eye and said. If I NEED A MASSAGE THERAPIST, I WILL JUST PICK UP SOME WOMEN OFF THE STREETS. And walked away...Like I said, there are good Doctors out there. Its just frustrating sometimes.
Therese Schwartz said:Gordon, you said "Its always interesting..." Holy cow, that's the truth!! I don't have any days that are the same as the day before. Good luck with the neck guy. I'm glad we have doctors for some things (like broken bones and appendicitis, just a couple of examples), but I wish they didn't have such a narrow focus.
Daniel, thanks! I do pat myself on my shoulders but try to keep from being egotistical at the same time. I have worked really damned hard to be this good and my clients can tell. I know what I can do for people and I'm starting to be more open about it. I've only been doing this for a little over 3 years (4 if you count massage school) and it takes a while to find a groove. But I keep doing continuing education, and keep looking for different ways to solve problems.
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Permalink Reply by Lee Edelberg on
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It's inspiring to read this stuff.
I mean, we're still seeing things in the media like "New study shows that massage might help reduce certain types of stress", while the medical/scientific establishment move at a glacial pace towards conclusions that almost anyone working in the field already knows from their daily work.
Thanks for your stories.
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Yea we all know what massage can do...We dont have to be doctors or have a PHD. to help people. When I think about.. All I really do is try to make sore spots go away.. And I have a whole bunch of techniques for that.. We all do.. And If Im able to do that.. Not always, but more often then not all their presenting symptoms go away. And if they are just burnt out and have no real sore spots.. They get a really good rubdown..And we all know how good that is. Its simple, does no harm, and at times the results can be profound. And if I have a really injured person.. I just calm and sooth the best I can.. And they know Im sincere, and appreciate it. Its a simple, yet HIGH ART. I get frustrated and dump my garbage in here sometimes..and I apologize for that.. Because I really love my work(most of the time). lol
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Permalink Reply by Therese Schwartz on
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We all need to vent. We all understand that you need to let it out! We can do our jobs better when we can open the pressure release valve. And like you I love my work, most of the time! When I'm not on top of my game it can be really challenging.
Lee, thanks for your comments. I've seen those headlines too! The thing they can't measure is what we do to give hope back to people. I get so many clients that think they are sentenced to be in pain the rest of their lives because the medical community can't help them.
I have a husband and wife who both come for massages, well she gets massage and he gets myofascial release and massage. They've been married for 10 years and this is the most pain free she has ever seen him. He's a finish carpenter so his upper body takes a beating, and 9 years ago he had a horse rear up and fall over on him. It shattered his femur and he is in constant pain from the reconstruction. With VERY careful MFR I am restoring some mobility and helping a lot. His arms and shoulders are much better too. The wife is a trauma ICU nurse so you can imagine how stressful her job is!
I have a new client (the one with the bizarre headaches and personality changes after the skiing accident) who is almost in tears every session because, and she told me this, I'm the first person who has ever actually listened to her. That is powerful just in and of itself!
Not bragging, just sharing more stories.
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When you consider that 85% of all pain problems come directly from trigger points in the muscles..And that trigger point pain is involved in 95% of all syndromes..Doesn't take too much imagination to see Soft tissue manipulation (massage) as perhaps the best way to get people out of pain..Once you rule out any pathology..I don't see any other therapy or system of intervention thats more affective. I really don't. That's if you know how to remove trigger points. As popular as massage is now, its not accepted as to its Real Healing Potential by others. Especially when you are talking about a therapist that has done it for 15, 20, 30 years or more.. . I know that with all my heart. Even if you dont know what you are doing, it has tremendous healing power.. A long time ago, I accidentally cured a medical doctor of debilitating back pain in one single shiatsu massage. It was the kind of pain that someone would go to a chiropractor or medical doctor for. But I didnt know how I did it, or what happened exactly.. I mean I just did this robotic protocol that Id memorized as a general shiatsu massage.. His pain reduction was complete and dramatic..He was amazed and couldn't explain it either. And he was a medical doctor. But now,, many many years later..I know how to do that,make trigger points go away, pretty much at will, not by luck. Its very exciting .. I feel like Im in command of my skills for the first time. A couple years ago, I couldn't say that...Now I can..Ive been studying hard the whole time sense I healed that medical doctor. I think that was in 1986.... Soft tissue work, works. The truth remains hidden. .And it really shouldn't.
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Permalink Reply by Linda LePelley, RN, NMT on
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And there is no way you could have learned all you know by taking an online class. You say you helped the doctor by accident, but it was no accident that you were there, that you had learned Shiatsu and were there to provide it for him. It was already your intention to provide help with the skills you had acquired to use. It was no accident, just a blessing that your education, intention, and effort all came together at the right time and the result was a healing beyond his hopes and your expectations. And an affirmation that you are doing the work you are meant to do.
Gordon J. Wallis said:
When you consider that 85% of all pain problems come directly from trigger points in the muscles..And that trigger point pain is involved in 95% of all syndromes..Doesn't take too much imagination to see Soft tissue manipulation (massage) as perhaps the best way to get people out of pain..Once you rule out any pathology..I don't see any other therapy or system of intervention thats more affective. I really don't. That's if you know how to remove trigger points. As popular as massage is now, its not accepted as to its Real Healing Potential by others. Especially when you are talking about a therapist that has done it for 15, 20, 30 years or more.. . I know that with all my heart. Even if you dont know what you are doing, it has tremendous healing power.. A long time ago, I accidentally cured a medical doctor of debilitating back pain in one single shiatsu massage. It was the kind of pain that someone would go to a chiropractor or medical doctor for. But I didnt know how I did it, or what happened exactly.. I mean I just did this robotic protocol that Id memorized as a general shiatsu massage.. His pain reduction was complete and dramatic..He was amazed and couldn't explain it either. And he was a medical doctor. But now,, many many years later..I know how to do that,make trigger points go away, pretty much at will, not by luck. Its very exciting .. I feel like Im in command of my skills for the first time. A couple years ago, I couldn't say that...Now I can..Ive been studying hard the whole time sense I healed that medical doctor. I think that was in 1986.... Soft tissue work, works. The truth remains hidden. .And it really shouldn't.
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Well the thing is now..Its no accident, and I know what Im doing..Ive had 26 years of constant work and study sense then. I massage and experience all day. Then come home ,study, and work on myself at night.... And like yourself..You've been doing this a while.. In time... things start clicking. Its like developing a martial art or something. I don't clone out some repetitive system anymore.
Linda LePelley said:
And there is no way you could have learned all you know by taking an online class. You say you helped the doctor by accident, but it was no accident that you were there, that you had learned Shiatsu and were there to provide it for him. It was already your intention to provide help with the skills you had acquired to use. It was no accident, just a blessing that your education, intention, and effort all came together at the right time and the result was a healing beyond his hopes and your expectations. And an affirmation that you are doing the work you are meant to do.
Gordon J. Wallis said:
When you consider that 85% of all pain problems come directly from trigger points in the muscles..And that trigger point pain is involved in 95% of all syndromes..Doesn't take too much imagination to see Soft tissue manipulation (massage) as perhaps the best way to get people out of pain..Once you rule out any pathology..I don't see any other therapy or system of intervention thats more affective. I really don't. That's if you know how to remove trigger points. As popular as massage is now, its not accepted as to its Real Healing Potential by others. Especially when you are talking about a therapist that has done it for 15, 20, 30 years or more.. . I know that with all my heart. Even if you dont know what you are doing, it has tremendous healing power.. A long time ago, I accidentally cured a medical doctor of debilitating back pain in one single shiatsu massage. It was the kind of pain that someone would go to a chiropractor or medical doctor for. But I didnt know how I did it, or what happened exactly.. I mean I just did this robotic protocol that Id memorized as a general shiatsu massage.. His pain reduction was complete and dramatic..He was amazed and couldn't explain it either. And he was a medical doctor. But now,, many many years later..I know how to do that,make trigger points go away, pretty much at will, not by luck. Its very exciting .. I feel like Im in command of my skills for the first time. A couple years ago, I couldn't say that...Now I can..Ive been studying hard the whole time sense I healed that medical doctor. I think that was in 1986.... Soft tissue work, works. The truth remains hidden. .And it really shouldn't.
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Permalink Reply by Relax & Rejuvenate on
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Similar issues exist in skin care.
Dermatologists are taught how to treat diseases of the skin, and look at everything as a disease and prescribe products accordingly.
Estheticians are taught how to care for and nurture skin to be its best, and use products that supplement that.
MDs look at oily skin and want to dry it up via Retin A, accutane, etc. What they seem to have lost sight of is that oil production is the skin's natural moisturizer. Prescribing a drug to curtail oil production dehydrates the skin. When the skin feels it is dehydrated, in that window between doses of the drug, it produces oil like Saudi Arabia to try to rehydrate the skin -- which frightens the patient into applying more Retin A and the vicious cycle perpetuates.
Which then leads us to Rodan and Fields and their whole industry of treating your face like a diseased appendage.
Those damn Dove commercrials are not much better.
Cleansing away EXCESS oil, toning the skin and applying a moisturizer will do more to improve your complexion than anything an MD is pushing.
But people trust MDs more than they trust an esthetician with 600 hours of training and the Beauty industry. Dermatologists don't try to improve your appearance, their goal is to eradicate diseases of the skin, and treat everything is a disease. NOt too different than pumping a starving person full of vitamins and glucose IVs instead of teaching them how to eat.
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Permalink Reply by Daniel Cohen on
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The trust Doctors by default because they have no idea what is being done and they believe medicine will give them a quick safe fix with little time out. As medicine fails in this they are seeking more alternatives.
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Ok you guys...THINK REALLY HARD ON THIS.. A client made a comment today. Ive heard this many times before..Ive even heard it from other massage therapists.. She said. " I Believe in massage." That puts massage in the same category as Bigfoot, UFOs, and the Lock Ness Monster. Now keep that thought...And listen to an interaction I had with another client... I said. " Is there anything I should know? Any aches and pains or problem areas? What do you want from this massage today.?" She said. " Well its my birthday, and my husband bought me a gift certificate, and Im here just to relax." I said ."Ok".. Then I said,. "Have you ever seen a doctor or chiropractor for any pain problems?' Then she said." Well I see a chiropractor regularly." I said. "What do you see the chiropractor regularly for then?" She said. "Well my back is out of alinement." I said. " Oh, so your back hurts?" She said ."No." Then I said. "Well why are you seeing the chiropractor regularly then?" She said." Well the bottom sides of my legs hurt sometimes." Then I said." Well at this point in my career as a professional massage therapist, I can pretty much make pain go away." She said with a suprised look. "OH REALY".. I said. "Well yea, as long as its muscular pain, and it usually is. Let me show you something." Then I showed her a letter from a doctor that says I cured him of back pain. She saw the date, 1986. Then all of a sudden she throws her leg on the table and started pointing out where she was sore. After the massage she said.."Wow, my legs feel so good.!" Massage is just not recognized.. And whos fault is that? People dont really know what we can do for them. I don't need a belief to know that THE SUN SHINES.
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Ok so you are Santa Claus and I'm the Easter Bunny. Whatever gets them to the place where they can get relief. Why shouldn't they believe in massage? If they believe in the Medical Profession they'll believe in almost anything.
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I have lots of stories,
Lee Edelberg said:
It's inspiring to read this stuff.
I mean, we're still seeing things in the media like "New study shows that massage might help reduce certain types of stress", while the medical/scientific establishment move at a glacial pace towards conclusions that almost anyone working in the field already knows from their daily work.
Thanks for your stories.
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