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Odd muscle pain
I have a new client who has some unusual muscle pain. It sounds like it could be fibromyalgia but that's not what was diagnosed. She was diagnosed as having calcium imbalances and to correct this the doctor removed her parathyroid gland. She is 27; for as long as she can remember she's constantly been stretching and self-massaging, putting pressure into her muscles, anything she can to get temporary relief. BTW, the surgery didn't help.
Her muscles to me didn't feel any different than a "normal" person's tight muscles. It did feel like she had some fascial adhesions that were bone deep in places. The only other real difference I noticed was a different kind of "stuck" in the Occipital/Atlas area than I'm familiar with.
Any ideas or experience with someone with a similar issue?
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Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on
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I never go by what I feel.. I go by what the client feels...And together we find the areas or spots that are sore, more sore then the surrounding areas...Wherever they my be... I almost always find sore spots...Do my releases. And that usually helps quite a bit.. Are there no specific sore areas on his body? Its really hard to help with this kind of question...Id have to be there to really answer your question... But I never go by what I feel..Not so much anyway.
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Permalink Reply by Therese Schwartz on
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No there aren't specific sore spots...she's sore all over! One of my colleagues asked if she'd been tested for Lyme's Disease. Interesting!
Yes, it is frustrating to do this kind of thing over the internet! Thanks though!!
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Permalink Reply by Boris Prilutsky on
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Too little calcium (hypocalcemia) or too much calcium (hypercalcemia) in the blood , both is consider to be calcium imbalance disorder. As you describe the symptoms looks like your clients suffering from hypocalcemia. No doubt that consuming calcium reach food , can be helpful, or sometimes even doctors ordering intravenous calcium. Massage is very important tools to help manage symptoms, as well to prevent ATP/energy crisis. To sustain some results you have to provide at least 15 treatments on twice a week basis. You have to combine lymph drainage techniques, with massage.By increasing volume of extracellular fluid drainage in to the bloodstream, proving to help to increase the level of calcium in blood . And this is what lymph drainage does. Back at Soviet Union at hematology departments, big groups of experts in our fields used to work and make different in this case. Many positive results , was tributed to lymph drainage.
I hope my post was helpful.
Best wishes.
Boris.
Therese Schwartz said:No there aren't specific sore spots...she's sore all over! One of my colleagues asked if she'd been tested for Lyme's Disease. Interesting!
Yes, it is frustrating to do this kind of thing over the internet! Thanks though!!
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Permalink Reply by Wilson Jordan on
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You noticed right on:
(1) tight muscles
(2) deep fascial adhesions (implies inflammation)
(3) adhesions are bone deep (implies inflammation)
(4) stuck in O/A joint (implies inflammation)
a chronic state of inflammation is occuring at a deep level that could be what she has been trying to dig at and give herself relief from her entire life. The O/A joint implies a lack of blood flow and tightness elsewhere in the cervicals if not the lumbars and sacrum. The sacrum balances the head.
I would ask if her thigh muscles were flexed and which ribs were not moving in sync with the others. Her pain only seems unusual because it hasn't yet been identified. How's the lymph flow -- if the IT Band is tight then lymph flow is slow. Tight muscles indicate either the body is actively working somewhere or an organ is working beyond its normal call to duty. The muscles in that case are only reacting to the chemicals set of by the organ.
Obvious her Fascia tissues isn't gliding very well. Where's the lubricant and is that a direct result of having the parathyroid removed or was this issue there before. Sounds like this slide and glide issue for the fascia existed before the surgery. This goes back to the calcium imbalance. The calcium imbalance had other symptoms too -- what were they? Information I would pursue first.
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Boris - thanks!! Your expertise is always appreciated. Unfortunately I don't know how to do lymphatic drainage but the massage and CranioSacral Therapy should help some with lymphatic flow. She lives 70 miles away so twice a week won't work but I will encourage her to come as often as she can. I really do live in the middle of nowhere! :)
Wilson - thanks to you too! This is really helpful. Next time she's here I will get more info on symptoms, check her ribs and IT band. I will also do a sacral release. Thigh muscles flexed - I had a bolster under her knees. Is that what you mean?
I forgot to mention and this may be significant - her father has real issues with physical tension. He can't turn his neck. His wife, her 2 sisters, several of her friends and now her daughter come to me but none of them can get him to come see me! Could this be a genetic thing?
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Hi Therese.
Following link to article where I am describing techniques, additionally to explanations. Maybe it will be helpful.
Best wishes.
Boris
http://medicalmassage-edu.com/ExtraArticles/LymphDetox.pdf
Therese Schwartz said:Boris - thanks!! Your expertise is always appreciated. Unfortunately I don't know how to do lymphatic drainage but the massage and CranioSacral Therapy should help some with lymphatic flow. She lives 70 miles away so twice a week won't work but I will encourage her to come as often as she can. I really do live in the middle of nowhere! :)
Wilson - thanks to you too! This is really helpful. Next time she's here I will get more info on symptoms, check her ribs and IT band. I will also do a sacral release. Thigh muscles flexed - I had a bolster under her knees. Is that what you mean?
I forgot to mention and this may be significant - her father has real issues with physical tension. He can't turn his neck. His wife, her 2 sisters, several of her friends and now her daughter come to me but none of them can get him to come see me! Could this be a genetic thing?
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I'm suggesting stimulating the lymph versus draining. Adhesion and fascia that sticks together lacks lubricant. The right lymph panel is pretty big...palpation spots...on the right side...middle finger of left hand between the rib directly below her nipple...right hand in the lower right quadrant of the abdomen...as you press very gentle with the middle finger you should feel a reflex or response under you hand....if not move the hand slowly until you do...then hold this spot until the little bulb under your middle finger fills up...then wait on a bilateral pulse in both locations middle finger and palm...once you get a bilateral pulse with at least three consecutive beats then you know the lymph had been kind of jump started...then go to the TFL insertions just before it crosses the knee...you'll probably feels some thick cords in there...let me know.
Getting her lubricated in between her deep tissues is going to be your first challenge. Drainage of the lymph is one thing but kick starting a hydraulic system like the lymph is a different way to go...
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Hi Jordan.
you have described some techniques that sounds unknown or most likely I don't know .the only think that I will appreciate is explanation for :stimulating the lymph versus draining".up front thanks.
Best wishes.
Boris.
Wilson Jordan said:I'm suggesting stimulating the lymph versus draining. Adhesion and fascia that sticks together lacks lubricant. The right lymph panel is pretty big...palpation spots...on the right side...middle finger of left hand between the rib directly below her nipple...right hand in the lower right quadrant of the abdomen...as you press very gentle with the middle finger you should feel a reflex or response under you hand....if not move the hand slowly until you do...then hold this spot until the little bulb under your middle finger fills up...then wait on a bilateral pulse in both locations middle finger and palm...once you get a bilateral pulse with at least three consecutive beats then you know the lymph had been kind of jump started...then go to the TFL insertions just before it crosses the knee...you'll probably feels some thick cords in there...let me know.
Getting her lubricated in between her deep tissues is going to be your first challenge. Drainage of the lymph is one thing but kick starting a hydraulic system like the lymph is a different way to go...
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The lymph is on a hydraulic system that is constantly stimulated by walking and movement. It cycles very very slowly. So, movement is generally slow at all times. Even after running a few miles that won't speed it up much. It is also a garbage collector and a reliable lubricant.
All issues are because of an abundance or inefficient amount of stress. The Lymphatic system is a stable system even when all areas aren't being lubed adequately because it is such a huge system. But areas where lymph isn't moving that well which at its best is slow; slows down the cyclic movement even more. Thus requiring the system to be jump started so it can move past where it was not thoroughly disbursing itself. For example adhesions indicate a lack of lymphy fluid moving through the tissue.
Getting the lymph moving where it will automatically fall in sync with the already hydraulic pattern is why its called a jump start. One can manually drain any site and that will work as long as their isn't more fluid accumulating. In which case that indicates a blockage or slow down of an already slow system. Lymphatic jump points as they are call are easily palpated on the TFL and between ribs 4 & 5. Many refer to this location right under the nipple as a Neuro-lymphatic point for the Adductors. It is also one of the main stimuli points to jump start the hydraulic system when the other hand is placed somewhere on the chain of lymph in the lower right quad of the abdomen region. Balance is what is being held for and balance is recognized by a bilateral pulse with three or more consecutive beats. If the beats are not consecutive then balance has not yet been fully restored.
In the TFL region, one can start close the Trochanter, palpate for tenderness or tightness; either one will indicate a slowing of the Lymph flow. The distal end of the Femur will have tendons that are very tight. The entire TFL must be released without any excitement. This is a passive treatment meaning the client does absolutely nothing but lie there. The backed up lymph in the TFL must be encouraged to flow down past the knee. Moving Lymph with only two fingertips only steady at one time is the technique on the TFL. I share more if you like.
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Thanks Wilson! This is great - it's always so interesting to be exposed to new ideas. Thanks for the time you took to explain the techniques and philosophies! I really appreciate it! It will be interesting to get my hands on some clients with a new perspective.
Boris - I always appreciate your dedication to having clear explanations of techniques.
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