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Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on December 20, 2012 at 12:34am

It feels good to help people.  Real good.  Well done Therese.

Therese Schwartz said:

I don't know why people insist on going back for more treatment that doesn't work.  I think there might be several things at play, including some complicated psychological issues.

I had a CranioSacral Therapy colleague call me last night; she'd hurt herself quite seriously and needed to come see me.  She's a 45-minute drive away; fortunately I'd had my last client of the day today reschedule so she could have that spot.  She'd slipped while cleaning her bathtub and banged her ribcage on the edge, reactivating some old damage from a car accident.  I worked on her for an hour and 15 minutes, using CranioSacral Therapy and MFR techniques around her ribcage, abdomen and neck (which was also affected).  As she was leaving she said I am Wonder Woman!  I really like my job.

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Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on December 20, 2012 at 4:52am

They go back because they feel they have a medical problem so they feel they need to see a medically educated person.. Like a physical therapist, or someone with a doctor title like a chiropractor.  Because they hurt.. Sometimes that status flows over to include a massage therapist... The other day during  my lunch break I over heard some people talking about back pain. So I walked up and offered one of my cards to the lady talking and she refused it saying that she has to see a medical massage therapist for her back.  The person she sees is medically trained in myofacial release.. I just said .. Oh I understand, and put the card back in my wallet.   Another reason is insurance.. The treatments, whatever they may be, seem free to them.  Oh by the way the medically trained massage therapist the lady sees bills $225 an hour to insurance companies... I wonder how many treatments it will take to heal her? And there is a treatment plan writen by someone above her.. I did that years ago when it was only $127 and hour.  It was usually for ten massages... and when that ran out I  would usually get another one...and then sometimes another one.. and another one....That was in the 90s... So Im a little out of date as to whats going on now.. And now I guess some insurances pay for several massages a year.. Not sure if you need a Doctors referal or not.. I  was billing Workers Compensation and Auto accident claims.   I make less money now, but Im ok with that for some reason?   I get to work on everyones patient at some point in time because I work in a spa. They come in on gift certificates.   And its real interesting what I hear and see as too their treatments diagnosis and condition..  Pinched nerve, rib out, sciatica or  whatever.. And the weird thing is often the pain is never touched, or they are getting some weird therapy thats out of context with whats real, or its really painful and doing harm.. Anyway its all the stuff I write about in here.. No use repeating it now... I will repeat it another time.. lol   My perspective this whole medical thing is dysfunctional.. manual medicine side of things anyway.. If Im talking with a group of experieinced therapists I often feel out of place. I dont get what they are talking about.  And if im talking to new therapists, often what I say is counter to what they are being taught? lol   I was a guest speaker in a local massage school once...As the students were milling around I over heard conversations like... You want to work on me after class, I have this knot in my shoulders from all this study.   Prior to my little talk the head instructor wanted me to actually teach in her school... She showed me the material that I would be teaching.. She k new I was an experienced therapist... She showed me the subjects and material that I would be teaching.. I looked it over for  a while, then told her I couldn't teach it.. She asked why?  I said.. Well I dont know anything about this material... She looked at me with a real puzzled look on her face.. and said... But you are an experienced professional massage therapist? And I said..  Well I guess you dont have to know any of this stuff to be an experienced professional massage therapist... lol   So anyway after Im introduced I talked about my history a little bit then started answering questions.  And after a  few minutes I decided to ask a question myself , remembering the comments about massageing each other after class because of knots in the back...  My question was... Can anyone here tell me what a knot in a muscle is or what a trigger point is, if you want to call it that?  Anyone?  All blank stares.. One young lady raised her hand and said.. Isn't  it an energy blockage?  Now these students where prety much near the end of their schooling..I looked at the head instructor and asked her.. Do you know what a  trigger point is... She shook her head no.   I don't know.. But to me, I find that to be a very important subject.  Sorry, I got a little bit off the subject.

Gordon J. Wallis said:

It feels good to help people.  Real good.  Well done Therese.

Therese Schwartz said:

I don't know why people insist on going back for more treatment that doesn't work.  I think there might be several things at play, including some complicated psychological issues.

I had a CranioSacral Therapy colleague call me last night; she'd hurt herself quite seriously and needed to come see me.  She's a 45-minute drive away; fortunately I'd had my last client of the day today reschedule so she could have that spot.  She'd slipped while cleaning her bathtub and banged her ribcage on the edge, reactivating some old damage from a car accident.  I worked on her for an hour and 15 minutes, using CranioSacral Therapy and MFR techniques around her ribcage, abdomen and neck (which was also affected).  As she was leaving she said I am Wonder Woman!  I really like my job.

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Permalink Reply by willows_of_saturn on December 20, 2012 at 5:33am

"That's not the corect answer to the question I asked."

I guess I was looking forward to the continuation of this statement, you know, what the correct answer was. But I'm confused because you simply asked what happens to a muscle when you tap its tendon. I figured you were talking about the tendon reflex, which is where you tap on the tendon and the antagonistic muscles contract, producing a stretching release in the muscle. Is there something else that happens when you tap a muscle's tendon that you were referring to?

"This is why I dont like talking about technique. I end up trying to diagnose someones problem and try to tell them how to fix it online via typing. Its impossible. I would have to be there and actually palpate your body before having a clue as what to do."

I was never looking to have my problem diagnosed, though. As I was mentioning earlier, I asked you what kinds of techniques you most use because I know you have a lot of experience working with trigger points and I was curious to know which techniques you generally use the most. Then I mentioned my problem and was curious to know if you work with the scalene muscles and if you had any tips.

Of course I understand if you don't want to discuss these types of things. I certainly wasn't looking for a diagnosis of my problem or a treatment plan or anything like that. lol. I was just curious to know if you had any input to share on the general matter. *shrugs

Anyway I'm almost certain that I have a few trigger points there, most notably on the anterior scalene. It's due to a long history of bad head posture and the undue strain it keeps on them. I've already relieved a lot of my carpal tunnel symptoms by working with exercises for my shoulders and neck that help hold my head in a more proper position, shifting more of its weight backwards, since that is the principle cause of the trigger points, the overall contraction, and the subsequent nerve entrapment. In the last couple of weeks my symptoms have returned more considerably, due to waking up with a lot of sore shoulder muscles from sleeping in a wrong position two weekends ago, and now I find these trigger points more active again. It's interesting actually because on the image from Janet Travel's book showing the two most common trigger points on the anterior muscle is almost exactly the location of my two most prominent (both in terms of their physical size and pain produced when touching them) trigger points, although there is a third one further down as well. It's the same on both sides of the neck actually, although the ones on the right seem a bit more painful, which seems to coincide with my right arm dealing with a lot more ache and numbness than the left one.

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Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on December 20, 2012 at 12:39pm

Well thats not what happens when you tap the tendon of a muscle.  Real learning is different then just repeating what you have been told or memorizing something.  If you find it out yourself.. Then you really learned... So Im not going to tell you..Thats why the physical therapist failed to help that doctor client.  He didn't learn anything.  He just does what he was taught to do. He does not really think on things, or he would have helped  that man really fast.  You will figure it out.. Then we will continiue. If that was a test question. You would have gotten it wrong.

willows_of_saturn said:

"That's not the corect answer to the question I asked."

I guess I was looking forward to the continuation of this statement, you know, what the correct answer was. But I'm confused because you simply asked what happens to a muscle when you tap its tendon. I figured you were talking about the tendon reflex, which is where you tap on the tendon and the antagonistic muscles contract, producing a stretching release in the muscle. Is there something else that happens when you tap a muscle's tendon that you were referring to?

"This is why I dont like talking about technique. I end up trying to diagnose someones problem and try to tell them how to fix it online via typing. Its impossible. I would have to be there and actually palpate your body before having a clue as what to do."

I was never looking to have my problem diagnosed, though. As I was mentioning earlier, I asked you what kinds of techniques you most use because I know you have a lot of experience working with trigger points and I was curious to know which techniques you generally use the most. Then I mentioned my problem and was curious to know if you work with the scalene muscles and if you had any tips.

Of course I understand if you don't want to discuss these types of things. I certainly wasn't looking for a diagnosis of my problem or a treatment plan or anything like that. lol. I was just curious to know if you had any input to share on the general matter. *shrugs

Anyway I'm almost certain that I have a few trigger points there, most notably on the anterior scalene. It's due to a long history of bad head posture and the undue strain it keeps on them. I've already relieved a lot of my carpal tunnel symptoms by working with exercises for my shoulders and neck that help hold my head in a more proper position, shifting more of its weight backwards, since that is the principle cause of the trigger points, the overall contraction, and the subsequent nerve entrapment. In the last couple of weeks my symptoms have returned more considerably, due to waking up with a lot of sore shoulder muscles from sleeping in a wrong position two weekends ago, and now I find these trigger points more active again. It's interesting actually because on the image from Janet Travel's book showing the two most common trigger points on the anterior muscle is almost exactly the location of my two most prominent (both in terms of their physical size and pain produced when touching them) trigger points, although there is a third one further down as well. It's the same on both sides of the neck actually, although the ones on the right seem a bit more painful, which seems to coincide with my right arm dealing with a lot more ache and numbness than the left one.

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Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on December 20, 2012 at 1:14pm

If I just tell you something. It will just be another fact you will put in your head... That physical therapist put four years of facts into his head.  So he just does what he was taught.  Regurgitating his facts.. he stopped  thinking.. If you get  the concpet. You can run with it and learn.. The doctors problem was very simple.

Gordon J. Wallis said:

Well thats not what happens when you tap the tendon of a muscle.  Real learning is different then just repeating what you have been told or memorizing something.  If you find it out yourself.. Then you really learned... So Im not going to tell you..Thats why the physical therapist failed to help that doctor client.  He didn't learn anything.  He just does what he was taught to do. He does not really think on things, or he would have helped  that man really fast.  You will figure it out.. Then we will continiue. If that was a test question. You would have gotten it wrong.

willows_of_saturn said:

"That's not the corect answer to the question I asked."

I guess I was looking forward to the continuation of this statement, you know, what the correct answer was. But I'm confused because you simply asked what happens to a muscle when you tap its tendon. I figured you were talking about the tendon reflex, which is where you tap on the tendon and the antagonistic muscles contract, producing a stretching release in the muscle. Is there something else that happens when you tap a muscle's tendon that you were referring to?

"This is why I dont like talking about technique. I end up trying to diagnose someones problem and try to tell them how to fix it online via typing. Its impossible. I would have to be there and actually palpate your body before having a clue as what to do."

I was never looking to have my problem diagnosed, though. As I was mentioning earlier, I asked you what kinds of techniques you most use because I know you have a lot of experience working with trigger points and I was curious to know which techniques you generally use the most. Then I mentioned my problem and was curious to know if you work with the scalene muscles and if you had any tips.

Of course I understand if you don't want to discuss these types of things. I certainly wasn't looking for a diagnosis of my problem or a treatment plan or anything like that. lol. I was just curious to know if you had any input to share on the general matter. *shrugs

Anyway I'm almost certain that I have a few trigger points there, most notably on the anterior scalene. It's due to a long history of bad head posture and the undue strain it keeps on them. I've already relieved a lot of my carpal tunnel symptoms by working with exercises for my shoulders and neck that help hold my head in a more proper position, shifting more of its weight backwards, since that is the principle cause of the trigger points, the overall contraction, and the subsequent nerve entrapment. In the last couple of weeks my symptoms have returned more considerably, due to waking up with a lot of sore shoulder muscles from sleeping in a wrong position two weekends ago, and now I find these trigger points more active again. It's interesting actually because on the image from Janet Travel's book showing the two most common trigger points on the anterior muscle is almost exactly the location of my two most prominent (both in terms of their physical size and pain produced when touching them) trigger points, although there is a third one further down as well. It's the same on both sides of the neck actually, although the ones on the right seem a bit more painful, which seems to coincide with my right arm dealing with a lot more ache and numbness than the left one.

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Permalink Reply by Maryshka on December 21, 2012 at 11:37am

Gordon,

Do you have TrP charts for Quad TrPs affecting SI/sacrum and IT band/Tensor Facia Latae?

Client symptoms seem to ease up/resolve after doing deep compression along Quads/Sartorius... unless you have other ideas about Glute-only involvement.

Pain seems to refer to trochanter, Tensor Fascia Latae/IT band, across PSIS and anterior deep compression along femur eliminates the PSIS and SI/sacral pain/tenderness.

Client symptoms worse after sitting (driving/computer/bending forward as with putting on socks but not lifting legs to chest).

Please & thank you.

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Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on December 21, 2012 at 5:24pm

Www.triggerpoints.net

Maryshka said:

Gordon,

Do you have TrP charts for Quad TrPs affecting SI/sacrum and IT band/Tensor Facia Latae?

Client symptoms seem to ease up/resolve after doing deep compression along Quads/Sartorius... unless you have other ideas about Glute-only involvement.

Pain seems to refer to trochanter, Tensor Fascia Latae/IT band, across PSIS and anterior deep compression along femur eliminates the PSIS and SI/sacral pain/tenderness.

Client symptoms worse after sitting (driving/computer/bending forward as with putting on socks but not lifting legs to chest).

Please & thank you.

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Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on December 21, 2012 at 11:32pm

Mayshka, after reading your question statement .. You are making it way more complicated then it needs to be.  Its like floundering and guessing as to what the problem is.   its like you are thinking too much.  All I would do is palpate the entire area from the lumbars to the knees, front ,back, and sides.  And simply take note of all the extrea tender points where ever they may be.  And dont go by what you think you feel.  But have your client tell you when you palpate a tender spot.. Then focus on eliminating those tender spots. Simply pressing on them with moderate pressure for ten to fifteen seconds will help.  There are more advanced techniques that eliminate trigger points.. But finding them is easy.. You just palpate with the help of your client.

Gordon J. Wallis said:

Www.triggerpoints.net

Maryshka said:

Gordon,

Do you have TrP charts for Quad TrPs affecting SI/sacrum and IT band/Tensor Facia Latae?

Client symptoms seem to ease up/resolve after doing deep compression along Quads/Sartorius... unless you have other ideas about Glute-only involvement.

Pain seems to refer to trochanter, Tensor Fascia Latae/IT band, across PSIS and anterior deep compression along femur eliminates the PSIS and SI/sacral pain/tenderness.

Client symptoms worse after sitting (driving/computer/bending forward as with putting on socks but not lifting legs to chest).

Please & thank you.

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Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on December 23, 2012 at 3:43am

The doctor came back in today.. He is much better.. He stopped going to physical therapy. He told me his pain is 85% better when he came in today. After todays session he left full range of motion with no pain. I released a mild infraspinatus TP, and a couple others,, upper trap one I think.. They were all mild. He no longer did the strengthening exercises so his tissures could heal.  He was very happy.  He smiled and told me   Not to get a big head though.  I said OK.

Gordon J. Wallis said:

Today was an interesting day.  The doctor came back in today.. He went back to physical theapy the other day.. Told the PT that a massage therapist told him that he was getting the wrong kind of therapy.  The PT ignored him and continiued with the same therapy... The doctor decided to continiue.. He told me today that the therapy was painful.  And that night he could hardly sleep because of the pain.   Again he could not abduct his arm more then 40 degrees when I saw him today.. I again released all the trigger points, then massaged him... Before he left the massage room he had full range of motion with no pain.  He was happy...I did exactly the same thing, and told him the same thing as last time... Also the PT wanted to  do therapy on his knee.. The doctor told him his knee was fine now( I fixed it last session)..   He  walked two miles yesterday with no pain or problem.   He told me the PT looked puzzled..  The doc is coming back in on  Saturday for a follow up visit.  He wont be going back to physical therapy..  The cellular damage in his shoulder can heal now. His problem is over.  Once any underlying pathology is ruled out.  Its soft tissue work all the way.    TRUTH IS OFTEN HIDDEN....LIKE A SHADOW...IN DARKNESS.  One last comment. Our profession is dysfunctional.   I hear about massage therapists working for $12 an hour or less.  I hear about massage schools costing as much as $30,000.00.   I've worked closely with chiropractors, physical therapists, and acupuncturists..   I know the kind of patients they see.  I know the kind of results they get.  We should be dominating the ache and pain industry..  Because within our license we have all thats needed to do it.   Our education system needs to change.  So people know it.  We Have a High Art.

Gordon J. Wallis said:

       Today was a trip.  I scored big time.  At least my perspective.  I had a medical  doctor in for a two hour massage this afternoon.  He told me he just needss to relax.   Stress.  I was kind of sleepy, so made sure that  I had a cup of coffee in the room just incase I needed it to stay alert and into the massage..  Anyway, about three quarters into the massage I found out that he was seeing a physical therapist for a rotator cuff injury.  I asked him how he felt after his physical therapy visits... He said worse... I'm thinking , hmmm....  I told him that I was sure that I could help him with his shoulder problem. He said ok... So I stopped fifteen minutes early in order to check his shoulder out...He said he had pain when he moved it... He was diagnosed with a rotator cuff injurey... Which by the way means nothing to me... Its usually never correct... He couldn't abduct his arm more then 40 degrees without pain.  I asked him what kind of therapy the PT had him doing.. He said weights.... I  knew  he had trigger points.   Nine times out of ten, thats what it is... Weight lifting is absolutely the worst posible therapy you can do  for a damaged muscle...Trigger pointed muscles test weak, so the PTs want to strengthen them... Big mistake..  Trigger points are  cellular damge... And the worst thing you can do is to work a  damaged muscle.  You need to relax it and create space so the blood can flow and repair the cellular damage... Anway sure enough he had  major trigger points  in his Pectoralis Major, Upper Trapezius,  and my good friend the Infraspinauts.. I asked him if the Physical therapist palpated those areas... He said no..  Unbelieveable to me.  Anyway I was able to deactivate all those TPs except for one of the pectoralis ones.   That was down graded  though.     After a few minutes of trigger point deactivation  he had nearly 90 degrees pain free range of motion... I will say 80..  He was shocked  and surprised.    I showed him in Travells book exactly his problem... Then he  said.... Im being treated for knee pain too.... I said where... He said inside of his right knee...I  don't have a picture of it, but it was his Sartorious  just above  the inside of his knee.   I asked him again before he left how he felt when leaving the PTs office...He said worse.    I asked him how he  felt leaving this spa.  He  said way better..   He cant come in for a needed follow up because he has to go back east, our of state, on Doctor business... He said he will see me when he gets back in a month..  Like Ikeep saying.  Once any underlying pathology is rulled out.. Its soft tissue work all the way... Truth remains hidden.    PS- sorry for any mis spelled words. I still have not figured this Android out... 

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Permalink Reply by Therese Schwartz on December 23, 2012 at 11:04pm

Such good news!  

I had a new client start yesterday; she went to a doctor on Friday and they took xrays, which she showed me.  I've only seen a few xrays before so I didn't really know what the indicators were, but they show that she needs both hips replaced.  I could tell enough to know that she has some problems!  Given that she has that underlying pathology you always suggest trying to rule out first, I skipped any MFR and went for targeted massage of her painful areas.  My goal is to get her whole body more able to deal with the pain she's in from failing hip joints.  She will be better able to cope with the surgery and recovery that way.  She was surprised and impressed with what I could do for her in an hour.  She's booked for a 90-minute in 2 weeks.  She'd be back sooner but the holidays have messed up my schedule.  She'd had an injury to her right arm that the doctors basically said take this stuff and wait it out...that took 5-6 minutes to make a huge difference to.

K, all for now.  I'm so tired it's ridiculous.

Anyone who reads this, have a wonderful Christmas!

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Permalink Reply by willows_of_saturn on December 26, 2012 at 7:52am

"Well thats not what happens when you tap the tendon of a muscle.  Real learning is different then just repeating what you have been told or memorizing something.  If you find it out yourself.. Then you really learned... So Im not going to tell you..Thats why the physical therapist failed to help that doctor client.  He didn't learn anything.  He just does what he was taught to do. He does not really think on things, or he would have helped  that man really fast.  You will figure it out.. Then we will continiue. If that was a test question. You would have gotten it wrong."

"If I just tell you something. It will just be another fact you will put in your head..."

I find your attitude to be unattractive. I mentioned that I'm just starting to practice and that I'm just starting out to learn. You refuse to provide some information about the question you asked me because apparently there's learning and then there's real learning. Because I gave the wrong answer, you somehow determined that I'm just repeating something I heard or memorized something and that if you told me what it really is then it would just be another fact I'd be putting in my head. Yet you have absolutely no clue as to why I gave the answer that I did, the way in which I formulated the matter in my head to arrive at that answer, and you have absolutely no clue as to the approach that I'm taking to practicing and learning. You have no clue what I would gain from that information and the way in which I'd use it. Yet you acted as though you did.

I understand and appreciate fully the thought you mentioned regarding the importance of learning for oneself, through practice, through working with the body itself, through learning from it and observing what happens with it. Yet I found it disappointing that you were not open to me. You judged me and dismissed me without having any valid information about me. Naturally you have no obligation to act differently, but it's still an unattractive attitude to have. Your choice.

Myself, I gave the answer I did because there's a lot of different ways that tendons are worked with to work with muscles and I haven't sufficiently built an understanding of all these interactions and purposes. I had in my mind at the time the way that pressing on a tendon of an antagonistic muscle can influence the opposing muscle to release a trigger point. I've just started learning, and my approach doesn't base itself merely on memorizing facts, but right now primarily on the way I'm working with my own body, doing various exercises to develop specific muscles, trying things out and observing what happens. Later on with massage I'll be getting into the more advanced aspects of anatomy and biomechanics but now it's just execution of the maneuvers themselves, and there will be a time that I'll be ready to start manipulating specific tendons and things of this nature for myself, yet I'm letting my own intuition guide me when it comes to massage, letting the body guide the way I'm working. I'm satisfied with the success I've had so far and am really looking forward to building for myself a career from this because I have a lot of potential. I don't appreciate it when people dismiss me as just taking another fact and putting it in my head and not engaging in "real" learning simply because I sought your perspective on a matter and answered a question incorrectly.

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Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on December 26, 2012 at 12:47pm

First off,  lots of people in here are selling continiuing education programs and simnars for money. .. The implications of the correct answer to that question I asked you are profound and not taught in any school or text book. It took me twenty years to figure it out.   Lots of massages and hard work..  I hesitate to just pay for eveyones continiuing education.. But I am willing to help people learn.. And the information within that question has enhanced my abilities to help people that are in pain profoundly.   And you have pain in the front of your neck right?  When I start teaching.  It will cost you $500 for me to ask that same question..  This thread is over for me.

willows_of_saturn said:

"Well thats not what happens when you tap the tendon of a muscle.  Real learning is different then just repeating what you have been told or memorizing something.  If you find it out yourself.. Then you really learned... So Im not going to tell you..Thats why the physical therapist failed to help that doctor client.  He didn't learn anything.  He just does what he was taught to do. He does not really think on things, or he would have helped  that man really fast.  You will figure it out.. Then we will continiue. If that was a test question. You would have gotten it wrong."

"If I just tell you something. It will just be another fact you will put in your head..."

I find your attitude to be unattractive. I mentioned that I'm just starting to practice and that I'm just starting out to learn. You refuse to provide some information about the question you asked me because apparently there's learning and then there's real learning. Because I gave the wrong answer, you somehow determined that I'm just repeating something I heard or memorized something and that if you told me what it really is then it would just be another fact I'd be putting in my head. Yet you have absolutely no clue as to why I gave the answer that I did, the way in which I formulated the matter in my head to arrive at that answer, and you have absolutely no clue as to the approach that I'm taking to practicing and learning. You have no clue what I would gain from that information and the way in which I'd use it. Yet you acted as though you did.

I understand and appreciate fully the thought you mentioned regarding the importance of learning for oneself, through practice, through working with the body itself, through learning from it and observing what happens with it. Yet I found it disappointing that you were not open to me. You judged me and dismissed me without having any valid information about me. Naturally you have no obligation to act differently, but it's still an unattractive attitude to have. Your choice.

Myself, I gave the answer I did because there's a lot of different ways that tendons are worked with to work with muscles and I haven't sufficiently built an understanding of all these interactions and purposes. I had in my mind at the time the way that pressing on a tendon of an antagonistic muscle can influence the opposing muscle to release a trigger point. I've just started learning, and my approach doesn't base itself merely on memorizing facts, but right now primarily on the way I'm working with my own body, doing various exercises to develop specific muscles, trying things out and observing what happens. Later on with massage I'll be getting into the more advanced aspects of anatomy and biomechanics but now it's just execution of the maneuvers themselves, and there will be a time that I'll be ready to start manipulating specific tendons and things of this nature for myself, yet I'm letting my own intuition guide me when it comes to massage, letting the body guide the way I'm working. I'm satisfied with the success I've had so far and am really looking forward to building for myself a career from this because I have a lot of potential. I don't appreciate it when people dismiss me as just taking another fact and putting it in my head and not engaging in "real" learning simply because I sought your perspective on a matter and answered a question incorrectly.

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