Lymphatic Drainage/Manual Lymph Drainage

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Comment by Angellynnn on January 13, 2010 at 9:58am

Wonderful to hear, Mimi!!! I, also incorporate it in all of my massages.
I heard from someone recently by email that found out that I do lymphatic work.. She commented that the therapist should be aware the mind is not the only thing that holds memories and this person became worse after being treated. This person had ptsd (post traumatic stress disorder) and was treated up the spine and on the neck. She believes lymphatic work can disrupt flow to the brain. She warned me to be careful when working with trauma victims.. Can anyone comment on this? Here is a quote from a little of what this person said to me,
"Ptsd that mind is "frozen in the moment", that is what creates the ptsd...the flashbacks, the reliving, etc, because it has not been processes properly, that is the same with the body, and it works in tandem with the mind trauma, so if you were physically abused, you mind would be traumatized, but so would your body...still...so when you are working with a "mind" traumatized person, you also have to think mindfully of the body...so if you unblock a part of the body that has been traumatized...it will flow to the mind, if it is unblocked...and then there is another blockage...if you think of a part of a body that hurts, it's most likely that you have been traumatized there...if you're mind eventually blocks it, so will you're body...that is until it is unblocked...it has to work in tandem, but it can work very well.."
She went on to say, "...it was just a perception I had...but you have to know my doctor then prescribed antidepressants because i was feeling so depressed and never linked the two....and then i got even worse...much worse...so i think there was a combo happening...but i still think that the unblocking had something to do with it, as afterwards I felt very depressed and on edge...like a rattling... "
I appreciate the input as I am new in this field. Thank you!

Comment by Mimi Rhys on January 13, 2010 at 8:34am

I integrate my LDT work with many of my clients. I have used it pre and post operatively for hysterectomies and skin grafts. The surgeons were amazed at the accelerated healing (usually 1/2) of the expected healing time. I also have had great results with calming down the pain of Fibromyalgia. Clients have been able to cut down on pain medications, and still experience improved movement and pain relief. A number of my clients have trauma histories, and the LDT helps them clear memories from their bodies and move forward in psychotherapy. I have also noticed the LDT combined with a cranial session frees the cranium to move even more freely.I think LDT should be a regular part of many sessions, and I consider it to be an essential part of my practice.

Comment by Jodi Rogers Paulk on January 5, 2010 at 9:44pm

I live in Orange County Ca and am wondering if you can refer a local school for certification in MLD?

Comment by Don Solomon on October 24, 2009 at 12:53am

Dear Carol and group
Yes, you are right It was Dr Bruno Chikly. Carol, what I wanted to do in my last post was to ensure people where aware of the rich history behind the MLD technique. Sadly, some people credit back to the "Brand Name' and not back the the innovator. For example: Cranial Sacral = Upledger when infact it should read Cranial Osteopathy = Dr. Sutherland (1873-1954) or even more accurately Cranial Osteopathy = Emanuel Swedenborg, who published a text titled The Brain in 1744 in which he described ideas similar to the first four of the five components of Sutherland’s cranial concept (1) that John Upledger went on to succcessfully market .

1. Jordan T. Swedenborg’s influence on Sutherland’s ‘Primary Respiratory Mechanism’ model in cranial osteopathy. International Journal of Osteopathic Medicine. 2009;12(3):100-105.

Yours truly,
Don Solomon, RMT (Vancouver, BC, Canada)

Comment by Carol J McDaniel on October 23, 2009 at 9:17am

Hi Don. To clarify: John Upledger didn't find LDT....Dr. Bruno Chikly is the founder of that technique teaches the work through the Upledger Institute. Dr. Chikly gives great appreciation to Vodder for his prior research and work in the field of Manual Lymphatics.

Comment by Don Solomon on October 23, 2009 at 3:10am

Dear Group
I have been reading the various posts on the group. I was interested to see the references to John Upledgers Lymphatic courses. However, it is important to realize that his technique only of a great number of Manual Lymphatic Drainage (MLD) Techniques. However, the first inovator to really focus attention on MLD was Emil Vodder. Was Born in Copenhagen, recieved his PhD in Brussels (1928) and In 1936 Vodder presented his method to the world as MANUAL LYMPH DRAINAGE according to Dr. VODDER, during a congress in Paris. In 1967, Vodder, Günther and Hildegard Wittlinger founded the very first founded the Association of Dr. Vodder's MLD. The first Dr. Vodder School was established in 1972 in Walchsee – Austria.
The Dr. Vodder method of MLD was first introduced to North America by Hildegard and Guenther Wittlinger at a conference in New York in 1972. Ten years later they returned to Toronto, Canada to begin the training program for therapists and met Robert Harris, who is now the director of the Dr. Vodder School – International. Through many classes in The US and Canada in the1980s, MLD gradually became known and eventually the Dr. Vodder School – North America was founded in 1993.
Hildegard and Guenther Wittlinger along with Robert Harris, helped to establish MLD in North America. Together and now with more certified instructors of the Dr. Vodder School, they have trained many thousands of therapists.
If you have some extra time check out the Dr. Vodder School at http://www.vodderschool.com/
Yours,
Don Solomon, RMT (Vancouver, BC, Canada)

Comment by Angellynnn on October 7, 2009 at 3:00pm

Kate, how long ago did your mother-in-law have surgery? She should ask her doctor if it's ok if you do a clavicle lymph drainage opening on her.

Comment by Kate van Houten on October 7, 2009 at 2:47pm

My mother-in-law is coming from California to visit us in Colorado. She'll be here for a month, and has SIGNIFICANT post-operative lymphedema in her right arm, requiring manual pumping with a machine when she's home. I had a somewhat cursory training in LDT, and wondered what tips you all would recommend. I just missed signing up for one local school's certification program in LDT and have a call in to their program director for information and referrals, but since I have 10+ years experience in massage therapy and various other bodywork modalities, I really would like to help her myself.

I have worked on her extensively post-surgery with myofascial release techniques (JFB MFR) and was able to assist her to increased range of motion with her right arm and shoulder, and pain relief. The lymphedema began sometime after I was visiting her and treating her.

Thanks
Kate

Comment by Angellynnn on October 6, 2009 at 4:50pm

Hi, My name is Sandy (Angellynnn). I am a student at Ralston School of Massage http://www.ralstonmassage.com and will graduate in December, 2009. If there is anyone you know in the Reno/Sparks/Tahoe area, please send them to see Sandy. We have some great coupons on our website. I took Lymph Drainage classes at my school and have been using it on clients at the school and seeing tremendous results. I'm not sure where I will be working when I graduate, but I plan on keeping my full time job for a while and building up clientel. I will definately get a license for outcall, because besides table massage, I love giving chair massages! I also plan to take more lymph drainage classes because I've seen it work and I want to get better and better at it.
~Angellynnn

Comment by Lisa Santoro on September 28, 2009 at 8:18am

Hello Everyone! Has anyone worked with patients going through joint replacement post operatively? Recently, one of my patients went through a hip replacement. Post operatively, I worked with her within 24 hours of completing surgery and then in home visits almost daily after for a week. After that, she had a PT come to her house (she opted for no rehab, and went straight home with in house care). After about a 3 weeks post op, she was experiencing some lymphedema in the leg, and dutifully wore her compression garment. In checking in with her, I offered to come and do some drainage. Her response, "My PT says it won't help now. So no thank you, I'm just trying to get in more exercise."

I called the PT with her permission, and asked what her thoughts were on why my patient wouldn't benefit from LDT if she was experiencing Lymphedema. Her response? "Well, her lymph system is healed now, and she'd do better with some elevation and exercise. That will move the fluid much quicker than you will." Shocked was I.

In talking with her, compassionately and informationally, I did advocate for my patient, however, to no avail. This patient still is experiencing some lymphedema 8 weeks out, and does not believe I'll help her. THis is only one story, but it also illustrates some of the misconceptions about our work. If you were going to design a program for lymphatic work post op in Joint replacement, what would you include?

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