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Permalink Reply by Boris Prilutsky on
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Hello Tyrika.
Can you please explain to me what does it mean"Medical Massage Certification"of course I know what is it medical massage.I am pretty confused by word "Certification"I mean if one possessing medical massage board certification ,I would understand. But we don't have such a board. Up front thank you.
Best wishes.
Boris
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Permalink Reply by Daniel Cohen on
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Boris, after reading the LMT success group website http://www.lmtsuccessgroup.com/category/Combo.html. It appears to me that it is a course to help therapists work in medical offices. A few simple massage techniques that might be applicable in a chiropractor's office with insurance billing. They offer school certification (certificate of completion) for individual classes and two levels of practitioner, "professional" and "Master".
It would be nice if in the USA we had a different term for Board Certified & certificate of course completion.
Perhaps someone familiar with the school could explain if the class instruction differs from the many Medical Massage videos Boris has posted and the protocols.
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Hi Daniel.
Thank you so much for explanations. I mean many times I tried to figure it out but couldn't. Thanks again. Now it looks like word game between certification and certificate of completion. Actually, connective tissue/fascia release techniques, trigger point therapy, lymphedemas management, all it under manual therapy CPT codes, as well when you billing CPT code of massage by providing the same techniques, you're getting much lower reimbursement. Insurance games. Possible that school teaching different approach from mine, because I am practicing massage protocols that where developed back in Russia. The matter of fact that 20 years ago I was the first at US who introduce medical massage term . I called it medical massage because Prof. Sherback who first proposed it called it this way. I mean I didn't know different names but medical and sports massage, as well lymphatic drainage . But evry dictionary will support, that massage therapy as well medical massage stands for the same definition , which is providing therapy by means of massage. Any procedure/therapy that contributing to human health is a medical procedure. Anyway I really appreciate clarification.
Best wishes.
Boris
Daniel Cohen said:
Boris, after reading the LMT success group website http://www.lmtsuccessgroup.com/category/Combo.html. It appears to me that it is a course to help therapists work in medical offices. A few simple massage techniques that might be applicable in a chiropractor's office with insurance billing. They offer school certification (certificate of completion) for individual classes and two levels of practitioner, "professional" and "Master".
It would be nice if in the USA we had a different term for Board Certified & certificate of course completion.
Perhaps someone familiar with the school could explain if the class instruction differs from the many Medical Massage videos Boris has posted and the protocols.
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Permalink Reply by Brenda Rowell on
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I have my own business in a chiropractic clinic and work closely with them. I, too am taking the LMT Success Groups Medical Massage in a couple weeks in Denver. I already do medical massage but wanted more training. It seems to me that medical/orthopedic/clinical massage all converge together with a fuzzy meaning that does not have a specific training. Just like it seems that multitudes of massage therapists or bodyworkers down through the years has set up their own way of doing what they do, call it their own name and set up their own training to make money and usually have a copywright on it. So you pay to get trained in their thing and can say you've been trained it that one thing and it is similar to this other thing but a different guy started a different way of doing it so named it a different thing. It seems the market it getting saturated with all these trainings. So.....this is one training, and you can claim to this training. No set standards. I chose this as I am and want to do different types under this umbrella of "medical massage" that I already do and have learned, and this title to add to what I do covers them all.
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Permalink Reply by Tyrika C. Williams on
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Brenda,
Thank you for this response. This gives me a much clearer idea of what to expect going into this training and how to approach finding a job afterward. I appreciate your response.
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Where are you going to take the class Tyrika? I loved it myself. Daniel I've not seen Boris' videos' but have read his ebook and articles. I've read Ross Turchaninov' book Medical Massage and had a Russian Massage class in my massage school. I've also read alot about the history of it before it came to the USA. I would say it might be a more simplified version of it. But the same as Russian as it is based on the scientific proven protocol. No it is not taught as being in a medical office. You can do it anywhere. It teaches to work from a Dr.'s prescription for ins. But it does teach how to be successful, get it right and not have problems like with insurance. Insurance does pay more at least for me in the back woods of Montana, but it might not pay more if you are in a very high priced area. But, one thing I would say about LMT Success group is it teaches how to work smarter and not harder which is a very big plus for me. I don't want to wear myself out in a few years and be injured or burned out. I would like to get your videos Boris. (maybe I can ask Santa for them? LOL) I learn best by reading. I've read about 40-50 books on massage techniques in the last year. I practice on family, etc. (continued)
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What I like to do is read many books on the same thing and put the techniques together. Each author and I do have several video's too, have their own way of doing things. But, still then I don't necessarily have each author/guru's certification that I've taken their class with their copyright word or logo that I can claim and there is no way I could possibly take them all. But, I do it in my own business already. I just can't claim it in advertising. It is legal to do under my state license because it is manual therapy. With the $ and time I have looking for what would benefit me best and I chose this as a good way to go because under the description of "medical massage" I can advertise this and it covers a lot of things. Not only that, medical massage and the concept of it is not always well know, especially in Montana!!! I hope to get in on the ground floor and to do so I first have to educate the medical community that it is worthwhile. Great! I like to educate and it will be quite a challenge. And then my website is for educating the layperson, public who knows nothing about it, so therefore I can also bring in some from that who do not have a Dr.'s script or insurance willing to pay for it.
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Hi Brenda.
I do not agree with you that medical/orthopedic/clinical massage all converge together with a fuzzy meaning that does not have a specific training. If one practicing or offering training including “fuzzy meaning” it is very bad, not fair to clients,as well not professional. For example orthopedic massage protocols, designed to address disturbances/dysfunctions of painful skeletal muscular apparatus.
If this painful disorders results of injuries and/or degenerative diseases, pain is a signal, of inflammatory condition including , lymphedema/swellings, muscular spasm , tensions within muscles, decrease of blood supply and more. Usually who is well trained in orthopedic/ medical massage addressing the causes. I can agree with you that out there many different ways/methodologies successfully to address it, but in no way they can have “fuzzy meaning”. On other hand terrible phenomena that people perform some techniques, and maybe good techniques, but claiming names like myofascial release, trigger point therapy , and offering absolutely fuzzy nonsense theories, and other practitioners picking up this nonsense, and trying this way to communicate with doctors, and educate clients. In the end it affecting very negative all of us. I personally believe in simple approach to medical massage, but not too simple as you proposing. Sorry disagree with you. My understanding you never had a chance to view my works, please do so. Hoping you will like it, and most important will find it useful. Look forward to hear from you after you will view. I hope this footage will change your mind at least to propose that I'm offering“fuzzy meaning”. Best wishes.Boris
Whiplash sports related injuries are the most common and the most difficult type of injury to be rehabilitated from. I am happy to offer you series of video clips where I am covering this subject in detail.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7045A3FA1134B072
Best wishes,
Boris
Brenda Rowell said:
I have my own business in a chiropractic clinic and work closely with them. I, too am taking the LMT Success Groups Medical Massage in a couple weeks in Denver. I already do medical massage but wanted more training. It seems to me that medical/orthopedic/clinical massage all converge together with a fuzzy meaning that does not have a specific training. Just like it seems that multitudes of massage therapists or bodyworkers down through the years has set up their own way of doing what they do, call it their own name and set up their own training to make money and usually have a copywright on it. So you pay to get trained in their thing and can say you've been trained it that one thing and it is similar to this other thing but a different guy started a different way of doing it so named it a different thing. It seems the market it getting saturated with all these trainings. So.....this is one training, and you can claim to this training. No set standards. I chose this as I am and want to do different types under this umbrella of "medical massage" that I already do and have learned, and this title to add to what I do covers them all. -
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Laughing...yes, Boris you are right.
What I was referring to what differing definitions that so many people have. If you google the word, you will get 42,900 results. At least that is what my computer comes up with. Many, many many of those results say something different. To one person medical massage is neuromuscular therapy, because that is what she took, for example. And I could go on and on of what all those websites say. As for all getting the right meaning to be one the same page with Drs? Well, maybe one of these days but I doubt that will happen in my lifetime. It would be nice though.
I'm sure I will get to your videos one of these days. On my list! Thank you. b
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Dear Brenda.
Thank you very much for reading from my book. You said :” I would say it might be a more simplified version of it.” I personally believe in simple approach to massage therapy, which means in the frame
of classic protocols you do some changes, but in frame. Example on my clips that I did propose to you to view, I demonstrating classic connective tissue massage techniques as well proposed alternative techniques to mobilize fascia. But all was in frame of classic approach. My personal frame I've build up during my training including study from texts like Dr. Ross Turchaninov’s and even less good than his. If you want to simplify some approaches it is okay,but I'm positive that 1st. You have to learn originals.
I hope you'll trust me, Dr. Ross Turchaninov’s book is best original source available in English as well other languages including Russian language. He produces much superior work to all available. As we speaking, I can assure you that I have no financial interest in his book sales. I wish he will allow me, to distribute his texts. And if it would happen my financial interest will not have me to sell something that less good than I believe.
In regards to what you have said:” No it is not taught as being in a medical office. It teaches to work from a Dr.'s prescription for ins. But it does teach how to be successful, get it right and not have problems like with insurance. Insurance does pay more at least for me in the back woods of Montana, but it might not pay more if you are in a very high priced area.”
Brenda .Doctors' prescriptions do not teaching you to reach results, as well knowledge how to work with insurance has nothing to do with therapy by means of massage. I agree with you ,Both of mentioned above knowledges is important for us to know,but it has nothing to do with hands-on procedures and good clinical outcome of it.and this is most important in our occupation.
Best wishes.
Boris
Brenda Rowell said:
Where are you going to take the class Tyrika? I loved it myself. Daniel I've not seen Boris' videos' but have read his ebook and articles. I've read Ross Turchaninov' book Medical Massage and had a Russian Massage class in my massage school. I've also read alot about the history of it before it came to the USA. I would say it might be a more simplified version of it. But the same as Russian as it is based on the scientific proven protocol. No it is not taught as being in a medical office. You can do it anywhere. It teaches to work from a Dr.'s prescription for ins. But it does teach how to be successful, get it right and not have problems like with insurance. Insurance does pay more at least for me in the back woods of Montana, but it might not pay more if you are in a very high priced area. But, one thing I would say about LMT Success group is it teaches how to work smarter and not harder which is a very big plus for me. I don't want to wear myself out in a few years and be injured or burned out. I would like to get your videos Boris. (maybe I can ask Santa for them? LOL) I learn best by reading. I've read about 40-50 books on massage techniques in the last year. I practice on family, etc. (continued)
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