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What type of massage therapy doctors should choose to refer their patience for treatments????
Hello members .
On the February 2nd 2012 we witnessed a press release related massage therapy of extreme healing power.
Massaging muscles may reduce inflammation, spur mitochondria formation. USA Today (2/2, Vergano) reports in "Science Fair" that according to a study in Science Translational Medicine, "kneading muscles reduces inflammation and spurs cellular energy production."
It is significant data, but not less important it was published at Science Translational Medicine, and one can say:” This is recognition of medical Society”. In many prospective it is recognition. However the big question becomes: What type of massage therapy doctors should choose to refer their patience for treatments????
Following link is to my short article on the subject:” What type of massage therapy doctors should choose to refer their patience for treatments????
http://medicalmassage-ceu.com/article_new7.html
Best wishes.
Boris Prilutsky.
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Permalink Reply by Daniel Cohen on
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Most of the 1000s of coined names for profit can be reduced to a few generic terms. Many are interchangeable and have little difference of meaningfulness to the public. They are registered brands for marketing. In fact most MTs I know mix them as they go through the therapy and do not maintain "brand loyalty". Boris I agree that the brand names have little value to the public at large and as we see in the above comment serve more to confuse than help those in need of the service.
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Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on
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Well I dont know how to un confuse everyone as to which massage style or therapy is best for any given person or problem..And all the different names of massage styles are confusing..All I know is that usually within minutes, I know if I can help someone or not.. Regardless of whatever diagnosis or therapy they may have had in the past. Too bad that client cant see you Boris, or Daniel, or myself.. We would know if its even a soft tissue problem in the first place.
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Boris, thats an intelligent article written by an intelligent person, of which there are a lot of. So?
Boris Prilutsky said:Gordon. Please read again what this patient wrote in last post.: ” I want to say thanks again to all of you for your advise. I will look into everything - even if I am a bit more confused now WHICH will be best: trigger point, myofascial release, cranio sacrale, neuromuscular.....?
She used word “confused”, and after reading all these posts we offered, I cannot blame her for expressing this deep disappointment and desperation as she did in post. More than this, I view her plead for help discussion, she did initiate as an ugly one on our end. Fibromyalgia is an debilitating disorder , she desperately looking for hope , reaching out to us, and in the end leaving with more pain. Yes I mean physical pain. When fibromyalgia patient writing something like:” I am a bit more confused now WHICH will be best: trigger point, myofascial release, cranio sacrale, neuromuscular.....?
“ I can assure you writing it did increase intensity of pain, and possible she cried when wrote it. Can you imagine if some of us who posted, would suffering from constant pain, clinical depression etc. fighting by looking for help, reaching out to professionals, and this professionals did harm to one’s hope. How you would feel if you would be this patient????????? Before posting in such cases, we should understand condition, to have some “good size”experience in treating these conditions, and then to think twice before posting proposal. In this case we discussed not between us, but with disparate for help patient. Shame on us.
Please read again my and Dr.Ross article on the subject. Materials and techniques proposed in article is not our personal opinion , but based on solid research and most importantly on clinical outcomes. We do talking there on trigger points too, but as a part of comprehensive treatment approach.
http://medicalmassage-edu.com/ExtraArticles/Fibromyalgia.pdf
Have a great day.
Boris
Gordon J. Wallis said:The problem of confusion comes from how massage is being taught in this country, and the lack of knowledge in our society....Trigger points cause a significant amount of undiagnosed pain in this country.. So from my perspective, its getting rid of trigger points. Call it whatever you want..Those names and styles dont mean very much to me...If someone can show me a good way to get ride of trigger points..Thats all I wanna know...I dont care if you call it myofascial release or orthobionomy.. Those are just different approaches to removing pain, usually trigger points, out of the body... Its like martial arts...You can defend yourself with Karate, or Aikido...They are both very different. But if you learn either one...When it comes to physically defending yourself...the results the same. If I have a client that hurts somewhere, and I find a trigger point..I explain to them how that trigger point is causing their pain.I show them books and charts about trigger points. ..And I explain to them how Im going to make them(trigger points) go away...I explain to them the different approaches I do to make that happen and why.. Then once they understand what we are doing, I begin....If people knew their pain was because of trigger points..They can research as to what approach or style may be best for them...But trigger points are just not common knowledge..Not at all. Despite all the information out there. Now I know not all pain is trigger point pain..But a lot of it is. Most doctors dont know if they are dealing with trigger point pain....The general public looks up and depends on them...The confusion is caused from not knowing the cause. Trigger Points. Thats my opinion from what I see.
Boris Prilutsky said:Dear friends.
Below you'll find link where Lady, who is not massage therapist, but suffering from fibromyalgia, posted question at massage therapy Professional discussion site. She got many advises and proposals from our colleagues, that in the end she stated:” I want to say thanks again to all of you for your advise. I will look into everything - even if I am a bit more confused now WHICH will be best: trigger point, myofascial release, cranio sacrale, neuromuscular.....?
this is little example, how 1000s names are confusing general public and of course health practitioners. I posted twice at this discussion, otherwise wouldn't criticize.
Best wishes.
Boris
http://www.massageprofessionals.com/forum/topics/questions-about-tr...
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Permalink Reply by Boris Prilutsky on
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Hi Daniel.
“1000s of coined names for profit” it is good definition. I'm not condemning profit desire, but it's come to the point like you said:” that the brand names have little value to the public at large and as we see in the above comment serve more to confuse than help those in need of the service. “
Thanks for posting.
Best wishes.
Boris
Daniel Cohen said:Most of the 1000s of coined names for profit can be reduced to a few generic terms. Many are interchangeable and have little difference of meaningfulness to the public. They are registered brands for marketing. In fact most MTs I know mix them as they go through the therapy and do not maintain "brand loyalty". Boris I agree that the brand names have little value to the public at large and as we see in the above comment serve more to confuse than help those in need of the service.
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Well the other problem is...You can go to two people that do myofacial release lets say....One can help dramatically and the other not...So it has a lot to do with the skills of the practioner maybe more then the style... Im quite sure that all three of us(Danel, Boris, and myself) approach things quite differently..However if there is a soft tissue component to that womens problem, I'm sure that any one of us could help her...I understand your frustration Boris.. Myofacial this and that.. My goodness.. ? I fully admit Im a trigger point guy...and I have many different approaches to eliminate trigger points....If its not trigger points causing the pain...I usually am unable to offer them significant relief...I feel really good now as I write this.. My first two clients this morning, I was able dramatically help.. I totally eliminated their pain problems, because they were caused by trigger points that their other health care providers didnt seem to notice. Not trying to brag at all... I had a lady the other day that I was un able to helpl...But today, I helped... Boris, I too am tired of all these names and the confusion it causes. I dont really know what can be done about it though? Thats all.
Boris Prilutsky said:Hi Daniel.
“1000s of coined names for profit” it is good definition. I'm not condemning profit desire, but it's come to the point like you said:” that the brand names have little value to the public at large and as we see in the above comment serve more to confuse than help those in need of the service. “
Thanks for posting.
Best wishes.
Boris
Daniel Cohen said:Most of the 1000s of coined names for profit can be reduced to a few generic terms. Many are interchangeable and have little difference of meaningfulness to the public. They are registered brands for marketing. In fact most MTs I know mix them as they go through the therapy and do not maintain "brand loyalty". Boris I agree that the brand names have little value to the public at large and as we see in the above comment serve more to confuse than help those in need of the service.
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Hi Gordon .
You said :”Too bad that client cant see you Boris, or Daniel, or myself.. We would know if its even a soft tissue problem in the first place.”
I appreciate your confidence in me,but it would be very bad if few people will represent so powerful methodology of treatment as massage therapy is. It's could and should be different. In case of fibromyalgia, I believe our guidance described in article, and including instruction to spend 50% of time on petrissage, and because of low pain threshold, very gradual to apply pressure, it will make more than three of us who'll be able to help.
Also you said:” Boris, thats an intelligent article written by an intelligent person, of which there are a lot of. So?”
I'm glad that you have found our article as an a intelligent one. Thanks
But would like to answer on your question “So?”
It is not only about 1000s confusing brand names, but about correctly design and clinically proven protocol. Who will read careful article, will understand that fibromyalgia is an fibromyositis, as well will understand that all developments of fibromyalgia symptoms including clinical depression, starting on level of muscles and therefore must be treated on level of muscles. Additional to step-by-step protocol description, article offering detail explanation which is extremely important to understand in order to achieve results. And not less important, is that article providing detail explanation of comprehensive approach, including connective tissue massage which is fascia mobilization, muscular mobilization, trigger point therapy and more. In such a case this lady wouldn't be offered many different names, that brought her to disappointment. What is it neuromuscular therapy? Traditionally any soft tissue mobilization provided by hands we calling massage therapy. Why to call it neuromuscular therapy?
By what kind of means trigger point will be provided ? Injections or by compression using fingers? and myofascial release , how this will be executed? Was any protocol for fibromyalgia designed using myofascial release only? If yes, how this protocol was developed. Any research involving human subject have to be register within IRB. Control group to test against placebo must be included. Medical statistic must be applied. Then the research article have to be produced. Then one can say:” trigger point therapy protocol for fibromyalgia” or “neuromuscular therapy protocol for fibromyalgia” or myofascial release protocol for fibromyalgia”. All mentioned above modalities is a components of comprehensive massage therapy protocols and not separate methods.
Best wishes.
Boris
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Boris Prilutsky said:" All mentioned above modalities is a components of comprehensive massage therapy protocols and not separate methods."I think this statement by Boris is very important. It is fine to study various aspects of massage often referred to as modalities or registered brands. They tend to focus on an aspect of massage and can provide particular in depth education and experience. But the true modality is simply massage with all its variety. Not that massage is simple, it takes study and experience. The more ways you know to affect the body, the more you can help. We are always learning from our clients, as well as each other.
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Your solution to the problem of all the never ending names and systems of massage therapy out there, is to create yet another system.
Boris Prilutsky said:Hi Gordon .
You said :”Too bad that client cant see you Boris, or Daniel, or myself.. We would know if its even a soft tissue problem in the first place.”
I appreciate your confidence in me,but it would be very bad if few people will represent so powerful methodology of treatment as massage therapy is. It's could and should be different. In case of fibromyalgia, I believe our guidance described in article, and including instruction to spend 50% of time on petrissage, and because of low pain threshold, very gradual to apply pressure, it will make more than three of us who'll be able to help.
Also you said:” Boris, thats an intelligent article written by an intelligent person, of which there are a lot of. So?”
I'm glad that you have found our article as an a intelligent one. Thanks
But would like to answer on your question “So?”
It is not only about 1000s confusing brand names, but about correctly design and clinically proven protocol. Who will read careful article, will understand that fibromyalgia is an fibromyositis, as well will understand that all developments of fibromyalgia symptoms including clinical depression, starting on level of muscles and therefore must be treated on level of muscles. Additional to step-by-step protocol description, article offering detail explanation which is extremely important to understand in order to achieve results. And not less important, is that article providing detail explanation of comprehensive approach, including connective tissue massage which is fascia mobilization, muscular mobilization, trigger point therapy and more. In such a case this lady wouldn't be offered many different names, that brought her to disappointment. What is it neuromuscular therapy? Traditionally any soft tissue mobilization provided by hands we calling massage therapy. Why to call it neuromuscular therapy?
By what kind of means trigger point will be provided ? Injections or by compression using fingers? and myofascial release , how this will be executed? Was any protocol for fibromyalgia designed using myofascial release only? If yes, how this protocol was developed. Any research involving human subject have to be register within IRB. Control group to test against placebo must be included. Medical statistic must be applied. Then the research article have to be produced. Then one can say:” trigger point therapy protocol for fibromyalgia” or “neuromuscular therapy protocol for fibromyalgia” or myofascial release protocol for fibromyalgia”. All mentioned above modalities is a components of comprehensive massage therapy protocols and not separate methods.
Best wishes.
Boris
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Gordon. I didn't proposed any new system. As example of my article, just stated strong opinion, that before one start to provide therapy for certain condition, one should understand this conditions. This all long ago I have stated that there is no such an methodology as deep tissue massage, and there is no such thing myofascial tissue . Please click link below, this is record,and you will see I do not propose nothing new.
http://medicalmassage-ceu.com/CLASS/
Gordon J. Wallis said:Your solution to the problem of all the never ending names and systems of massage therapy out there, is to create yet another system.
Boris Prilutsky said:Hi Gordon .
You said :”Too bad that client cant see you Boris, or Daniel, or myself.. We would know if its even a soft tissue problem in the first place.”
I appreciate your confidence in me,but it would be very bad if few people will represent so powerful methodology of treatment as massage therapy is. It's could and should be different. In case of fibromyalgia, I believe our guidance described in article, and including instruction to spend 50% of time on petrissage, and because of low pain threshold, very gradual to apply pressure, it will make more than three of us who'll be able to help.
Also you said:” Boris, thats an intelligent article written by an intelligent person, of which there are a lot of. So?”
I'm glad that you have found our article as an a intelligent one. Thanks
But would like to answer on your question “So?”
It is not only about 1000s confusing brand names, but about correctly design and clinically proven protocol. Who will read careful article, will understand that fibromyalgia is an fibromyositis, as well will understand that all developments of fibromyalgia symptoms including clinical depression, starting on level of muscles and therefore must be treated on level of muscles. Additional to step-by-step protocol description, article offering detail explanation which is extremely important to understand in order to achieve results. And not less important, is that article providing detail explanation of comprehensive approach, including connective tissue massage which is fascia mobilization, muscular mobilization, trigger point therapy and more. In such a case this lady wouldn't be offered many different names, that brought her to disappointment. What is it neuromuscular therapy? Traditionally any soft tissue mobilization provided by hands we calling massage therapy. Why to call it neuromuscular therapy?
By what kind of means trigger point will be provided ? Injections or by compression using fingers? and myofascial release , how this will be executed? Was any protocol for fibromyalgia designed using myofascial release only? If yes, how this protocol was developed. Any research involving human subject have to be register within IRB. Control group to test against placebo must be included. Medical statistic must be applied. Then the research article have to be produced. Then one can say:” trigger point therapy protocol for fibromyalgia” or “neuromuscular therapy protocol for fibromyalgia” or myofascial release protocol for fibromyalgia”. All mentioned above modalities is a components of comprehensive massage therapy protocols and not separate methods.
Best wishes.
Boris
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I agree with you Boris. One should understand the condition they are working on.
Boris Prilutsky said:Gordon. I didn't proposed any new system. As example of my article, just stated strong opinion, that before one start to provide therapy for certain condition, one should understand this conditions. This all long ago I have stated that there is no such an methodology as deep tissue massage, and there is no such thing myofascial tissue . Please click link below, this is record,and you will see I do not propose nothing new.
http://medicalmassage-ceu.com/CLASS/
Gordon J. Wallis said:Your solution to the problem of all the never ending names and systems of massage therapy out there, is to create yet another system.
Boris Prilutsky said:Hi Gordon .
You said :”Too bad that client cant see you Boris, or Daniel, or myself.. We would know if its even a soft tissue problem in the first place.”
I appreciate your confidence in me,but it would be very bad if few people will represent so powerful methodology of treatment as massage therapy is. It's could and should be different. In case of fibromyalgia, I believe our guidance described in article, and including instruction to spend 50% of time on petrissage, and because of low pain threshold, very gradual to apply pressure, it will make more than three of us who'll be able to help.
Also you said:” Boris, thats an intelligent article written by an intelligent person, of which there are a lot of. So?”
I'm glad that you have found our article as an a intelligent one. Thanks
But would like to answer on your question “So?”
It is not only about 1000s confusing brand names, but about correctly design and clinically proven protocol. Who will read careful article, will understand that fibromyalgia is an fibromyositis, as well will understand that all developments of fibromyalgia symptoms including clinical depression, starting on level of muscles and therefore must be treated on level of muscles. Additional to step-by-step protocol description, article offering detail explanation which is extremely important to understand in order to achieve results. And not less important, is that article providing detail explanation of comprehensive approach, including connective tissue massage which is fascia mobilization, muscular mobilization, trigger point therapy and more. In such a case this lady wouldn't be offered many different names, that brought her to disappointment. What is it neuromuscular therapy? Traditionally any soft tissue mobilization provided by hands we calling massage therapy. Why to call it neuromuscular therapy?
By what kind of means trigger point will be provided ? Injections or by compression using fingers? and myofascial release , how this will be executed? Was any protocol for fibromyalgia designed using myofascial release only? If yes, how this protocol was developed. Any research involving human subject have to be register within IRB. Control group to test against placebo must be included. Medical statistic must be applied. Then the research article have to be produced. Then one can say:” trigger point therapy protocol for fibromyalgia” or “neuromuscular therapy protocol for fibromyalgia” or myofascial release protocol for fibromyalgia”. All mentioned above modalities is a components of comprehensive massage therapy protocols and not separate methods.
Best wishes.
Boris
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Dear friends.
Below you'll find links to my Part 2 article:” What type of massage therapy should doctors refer their patients for treatments?
http://medicalmassage-edu.com/articles/221
I hope you will enjoy reading it, and you will agree with my views on 1000s names. If you having different views on this subject ,will appreciate your comments. I mean in my article I am discussing condition of entire industry and proposing practical steps. Interest of each of us is to survive as a industry, in order to help to many people, as well to sustain ourselves financially.
Also below you'll find links to my Facebook fan page. Please click like, and you will be able to review
my discussions as well hands-on demonstration.Cases : Carpal tunnel syndrome , PAD, Rest less legs syndrome,Sciatica, Knee injuries. Also after clicking” like”, you will have access to discount page exclusively for fans. Significant discounts, including and applicable to all DVDs and CEs programs.
http://www.facebook.com/FreeInstructionalandSelfMassageLessons
Best wishes.
Boris
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Boris Prilutsky said:Dear friends.
Below you'll find links to my Part 2 article:” What type of massage therapy should doctors refer their patients for treatments?
http://medicalmassage-edu.com/articles/221
I hope you will enjoy reading it, and you will agree with my views on 1000s names. If you having different views on this subject ,will appreciate your comments. I mean in my article I am discussing condition of entire industry and proposing practical steps. Interest of each of us is to survive as a industry, in order to help to many people, as well to sustain ourselves financially.
Also below you'll find links to my Facebook fan page. Please click like, and you will be able to review
my discussions as well hands-on demonstration.Cases : Carpal tunnel syndrome , PAD, Rest less legs syndrome,Sciatica, Knee injuries. Also after clicking” like”, you will have access to discount page exclusively for fans. Significant discounts, including and applicable to all DVDs and CEs programs.
http://www.facebook.com/FreeInstructionalandSelfMassageLessons
Best wishes.
Boris
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