Ethics

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Comment by Nancy Toner Weinberger on December 1, 2009 at 5:48pm

Bartering is also using money. That is the coin that we save up to use for what we want and need. Its all just a big bartering system. It seems so much cleaner to just pay for what you want. Not that i don't do a trade with friends- I do. But when I want more sessions than they do, well I also pay them in between. Seems to work for me.

Comment by Eve Demey on December 1, 2009 at 5:47pm

thanks
i dod not know that

Comment by Taya Countryman LMT on December 1, 2009 at 5:16pm

The reason for not bartering is Federal Income Taxes. Each service must be registered as income to the person. Do we barter anyway? Probably. But to declare in writing that you barter and then put it on the internet sets yourself up for tax evasion. I am not an expert on this but have listened to several accountants and lawyers who specialize in this warn against it.
Taya Countryman LMT

Comment by lee kalpin on December 1, 2009 at 3:58pm

A system like Gloria describes certainly lessens the risk. We must remember that dual relationships are all about risk - to both parties.
I can give horror stories about bartering gone wrong. Maybe later.

Comment by lee kalpin on December 1, 2009 at 3:46pm

For references regarding bartering, see the following texts on Professional Ethics.
The Educated Heart by Nina McIntosh (LLW) Chapter on Dual Relationsips (Wearing Many Hats)
Keeping the Professional Promise, Cidalia Paiva PHd (Mt Publishing) Brief mention in the chapter on Dual Relationships

Comment by Gloria Coppola on December 1, 2009 at 3:44pm

A friend of mine started a company called "Barter Pays" a long time ago.
Since it was set up very professional and with an awesome system in tack it worked very well.

Individuals could schedule a service or buy a product and use their barter bucks.
It didn't mean if they came to me for massage I had to use their service etc. We had a "pool" of business' to choose from.

I agree with Lee Bartering one on one can cause some conflicts, but a system like my friends works very well.

I was able to purchase tires for my cars, brochures for my business etc. An awesome concept when it is handled well.

Comment by lee kalpin on December 1, 2009 at 3:39pm

I do have issues about using bartering in a massage therapy practice. Bartering creates a dual relationship: that means having a client/ therapist relationship as well as a second relationship based on the bartering. If the barter does not work out well for some reason, the client/therapist relationship will suffer.
Bartering on a one time trade carries minimal risk. If the trade does not work out, the therapist is only out the time they spent doing one massage. If the agreement is for a long-term trade, there are increased risks.
Books on professional ethics counsel against dual relationships. There are many horror stories of bartering deal which did not work out well.

Comment by Las Vegas Massage In Summerlin on December 1, 2009 at 8:11am

Yesterday I asked some fellow massage therapists, "How many use massage as a bartering tool? What cool experiences will you share with us?"

In less than a day there were over sixty replies, most of which were simple explanations of what therapists bartered for.

There were a couple who don't barter for one reason or another.

What interested me were the personal messages from therapists who were a bit leary of 'going against the flow,' and making a public statement against the grain in regards to bartering and ethics, as the majority agreed that bartering one's professional massage services was a-ok.

Ethics: A system of moral principles: the ethics of a culture.

Is there mention of bartering in the National exams or is this a state by state, school by school 'ethics' discussion? (It's been so long ago that I took the National test and studied for it, I can't recall.)

How do your, "Moral principles or culture" relate to mine? Is there a standard that all massage therapists should observe?

Is this a personal issue from therapist to therapist, between them and their clients?

Personally, I don't have an issue with bartering, although I've done very little of it.

Thoughts?

Kris

Comment by Don Solomon on November 15, 2009 at 7:21pm

Therapeutic relationships. Yes,....

Comment by Nancy Toner Weinberger on September 7, 2009 at 9:23am

I have to chuckle when I see how all the other groups have so many members and so much posted and here just a few.

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