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Comment by Choice Kinchen on December 11, 2009 at 6:39pm

Not hijack the thread, but with my scleroderma, I like just about any treatment. I avoid deep tissue however cause my muscles aren't as strong as they used to be. But, because of my work and workouts, I tend to be tight, so a firm deeper than traditional Swedish can be good. My wife, who also has scleroderma, takes only light pressure. She ususally can't lay flat due to gastro problems (me too). It just depends on what kind of day we're having. Always ask and check what meds are being taken.

Tricia, I know I don't take any offense to anything you've written. :)

Comment by Tricia Szakmeister on December 11, 2009 at 6:14pm

I don't know if it is in my bio, but I am also a substitute teacher and I guess sometimes after a day of wrestling kids away from disputes, it's easy to hear that in other areas. I hope no one has taken offense to anything I've written. I was starting to wonder what techniques beyond positive thinking would truly be a help for scleroderma. I am sure there are people in my area that must need help with this and managing the pain coming from it. What known treatment helps the most??

Comment by Stephen Jeffrey on December 11, 2009 at 9:56am

Hi all
I think to make promises of healing to an individual at a time when they are at their most vunerable is outrageous and am in total agreement with you Tricia as to how we should present it as intension not a promise.
Wether a client comes to me for healing, massage or both I state from the outset that I will do my best to improve their condition within my scope of practice, and that I will be guided by their feelings/thoughts of change not by mine. And that this is their judgement on a session by session basis = no need to sign up for 10 sessions at discounted rates as they will know if its working or not in 1 to 4 sessions.

Comment by Choice Kinchen on December 10, 2009 at 9:34pm

Tricia, I haven't looked at our discussions as a debate. We are ......discussing...... sometimes vigorously, sometimes not, but always respectful. I am trying to glean some kind of understanding about a type of work that I haven't seen results from. Others are trying to help me understand. I only have the perspective from the lack of results from the energy workers I have encountered. I have no doubt it works on a lot of people and have never found fault or tried to disprove it.

I have given many talks on positive thinking, from my point of view, to a lot of scleroderma groups, and how it works in my life. The majority of people with this disease don't do very well physically and absolutely don't have positive outlooks on anything. They don't understand how I (someone who has gone thru a hell of a lot with this disease) can be so positive in the face of all of my obstacles. I try to teach them how and they try to understand. Doesn't mean they'll be able to do it, but at least they're listening.

Same thing here. That's all. On another thought, I certainly understand your views on recurring pain. That doesn't apply here. I've been in pain for 27 years. I've learned to embrace it. It means I'm alive. But this doesn't apply to everyone, so, of course, err on the cautious side.

On a another side note, here in Utah, once again we're going to around 6 deg. tonite. I don't mind living in a refrigerator, but a deep freeze is another thing :)

Comment by Mike Hinkle on December 10, 2009 at 7:03pm

You can also see more about the book at www.igetintouch.com

Comment by Mike Hinkle on December 10, 2009 at 7:00pm

Tricia, very well said. We should never promise outcome.

Comment by Mike Hinkle on December 10, 2009 at 6:59pm

"Creating Peace With Your Hands" is the title. You can get it at Amazon.com (not allowed to quote prices) ISBN # is 978-0-9816199-0-3

Comment by noreen zakrajsek on December 10, 2009 at 6:57pm

Thanks for the suggestion Mike. What is the title of Karina's book?

Comment by Tricia Szakmeister on December 10, 2009 at 6:46pm

I have read through the many comments from the discussion involving Choice and Karina and others, it sounds as though it's a debate. Why? It can't prove or disprove the value and ability of energy work. I don't think that it is someone's "fault" if energy work doesn't do what they want for them. If someone has "promised" a certain outcome from energy work or any kind of manipulation, that is wrong. We can't promise things to people, other than that we will give our very best and be open to help any way we are able. Plus, we are therapist- not M.D.'s. I ALWAYS suggest that if someone has recurring pain and the session does not help, to please see a physician because I am not a diagnostician or doctor. I am willing to do what I can, but if they have a serious injury massage may be contraindicated. Energy work may not be seen as a regular massage form, but it does cause in most people physiological changes. On a separate note, hope everyone is staying warm. We are in very low temps where I live. Peace!

Comment by Choice Kinchen on December 10, 2009 at 6:33pm

Mike, where can we get her book...and the title?

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