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What are your professional pet peeves?
We need some input for our Round the Table column in the next issue of Massage & Bodywork magazine. Reply with your answers and you just might see it printed in the next issue!
The question this time is:
As a massage therapist, what are some of your professional pet peeves?
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Permalink Reply by Daniel Cohen on
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Gordon you bring up one of my fears for Massage Therapy. The medical field has concentrated on specialization. Not only seperating specialization but seperating parts of the body. One of the things I like so much about massage is the holistic approach. By following other health care professions too closely I worry we will also become specialized at the expense of the patient.
I have often had an opposite experience. I often get involved in the treatment of Workers' Compensation Insurance patients. I often see that the person is not recovering as they should. By massage palpation and oscillation I have found problems not immediate to the pain. I will suggest to the patient that the next time they see the specialist to tell them it hurts in this spot. Usually the Doctor will then expand the area for medical treatment and recovery comes quickly.800 years ago Maimonides, the great medieval physician, warned against treating only part of the individual and even trying to separate mind, body, and soul.
We have much to offer as a holistic model for the medical professions. We must remain true to our profession and as the truth is realized we will have our place. We will also bring great change to others.
Gordon J. Wallis said:I understand what you are saying Boris. I just think massage therapists graduate from these schools thinking that no matter what they do, they dont have the ability to help a client(patient) like other health care providers can...I had an example yesterday...A client came in who was a runner... She had nagging left hip pain that would start after she was well into her running workouts....She went to another type of health care provider that said it was because of her tensor facia latae was too tight...because the pain would run down the side of her leg.. Now that other type of health care provider had massage therapists working for him....So when those therapists got the diagnosis they proceeded to work and stretch out her tensor faciae latae. After about three sessions with those people she quit seeing them because there was no change at all in her symptoms...Somehow she came to see me a couple days ago...I checked her tensor faciae latae and found nothing wrong with it...However I did palpate a trigger point in her glutius minimus and piriformis .. I released those trigger points...I saw her on a follow up yesterday...She was very happy...Her symptoms were gone...and she was very happy...She just came in because I suggested she come in for a follow up a couple days later... My point is.. the other therapists were told that it was her tensor facia latae so all they did was work on a healthy muscle.. After all they are only massage therapists, and if the doctor says its the facia latae, it must be. They are conditioned in school that they are inferior.
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Permalink Reply by Gary W Addis, LMT on
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Yep. Kinda like in the fast food industry. the new franchisee tries to set up far away from all competition. But when people decide to go out for "a bite" they usually go to the area that provides a choice--mom and dad can have wendy's or tacos or chinese FF, the kids can get their Happy Meals.
Gordon J. Wallis said:Whats interesting is that if you are a new therapist.(or an experienced one). It might be better economically if you set up in an area that already has lots of massage therapists as opposed to an area that has few...kinda counter intuitive.
Daniel Cohen said:Gary thanks for the additional data. Regional difference is exactly what I was referring to. But this difference is also an indicator that massage is growing in popularity. Today it is found at many airports and malls around the country. Many people regard it as a necessary defense against the tension/stress of modern life. Many of my clients have brought in relatives and friends for a massage while they are visiting from different parts of the country or world. Of these a much higher percentage than locals have never had a massage. Of those perhaps half ask me to refer them to someone who does similar massage back home. I am glad to say referrals have gotten easier since many Therapists now have more than Swedish relaxation on their websites.
Skills are getting refined, client base grows, supporting evidence increases and I am very optimistic of the future of the massage profession in the USA and the world.
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Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on
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Well thats just another variation of the same theme I keep harping on in here...We are trying to fit into the medical field...and thats the kiss of death as far as advancing our profession....I dont want to ever be locked into some rediculess treatment plan, and become part of the system.The problem is that it pays good money, or it can.. As it is now...working in a spa... Im independent of any treatment plan..And am free to treat the client the best way possible. I just cant be connected to a medical clinic knowing what I know now.. I dont fit in to those treatment plans...
Daniel Cohen said:Gordon you bring up one of my fears for Massage Therapy. The medical field has concentrated on specialization. Not only seperating specialization but seperating parts of the body. One of the things I like so much about massage is the holistic approach. By following other health care professions too closely I worry we will also become specialized at the expense of the patient.
I have often had an opposite experience. I often get involved in the treatment of Workers' Compensation Insurance patients. I often see that the person is not recovering as they should. By massage palpation and oscillation I have found problems not immediate to the pain. I will suggest to the patient that the next time they see the specialist to tell them it hurts in this spot. Usually the Doctor will then expand the area for medical treatment and recovery comes quickly.800 years ago Maimonides, the great medieval physician, warned against treating only part of the individual and even trying to separate mind, body, and soul.
We have much to offer as a holistic model for the medical professions. We must remain true to our profession and as the truth is realized we will have our place. We will also bring great change to others.
Gordon J. Wallis said:I understand what you are saying Boris. I just think massage therapists graduate from these schools thinking that no matter what they do, they dont have the ability to help a client(patient) like other health care providers can...I had an example yesterday...A client came in who was a runner... She had nagging left hip pain that would start after she was well into her running workouts....She went to another type of health care provider that said it was because of her tensor facia latae was too tight...because the pain would run down the side of her leg.. Now that other type of health care provider had massage therapists working for him....So when those therapists got the diagnosis they proceeded to work and stretch out her tensor faciae latae. After about three sessions with those people she quit seeing them because there was no change at all in her symptoms...Somehow she came to see me a couple days ago...I checked her tensor faciae latae and found nothing wrong with it...However I did palpate a trigger point in her glutius minimus and piriformis .. I released those trigger points...I saw her on a follow up yesterday...She was very happy...Her symptoms were gone...and she was very happy...She just came in because I suggested she come in for a follow up a couple days later... My point is.. the other therapists were told that it was her tensor facia latae so all they did was work on a healthy muscle.. After all they are only massage therapists, and if the doctor says its the facia latae, it must be. They are conditioned in school that they are inferior.
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Permalink Reply by Boris Prilutsky on
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Gordon. All my life, I am working in a frame of integrative medicine settlement. And this is absolutely not like you describing. You are independent with hands-on performances. Have to say and you please forgive me. You judging stuff at the time having no experience in this. You claiming superiority to other massage therapists including globalizing that everyone not really know what she/he doing but only you, I mean you don't have an experience working with medical practitioners, and you judging. I know it can upset you but I am writing it, because would like to prevent you to traumatize minds of young therapists. I hope they do not listening to you. Constructive judgment on treatment you described. It absolutely not adequate treatment to address trigger points only. I cannot extend to much on this. Soon will be available for free preview four hours program,where I will demonstrate hands on,and will explain what is it adequate treatment, and what is it inhibition of pain which is terrible phenomenon and not an results.
please stop convincing young massage therapists that they know nothing. Maybe they have less experience than you, and maybe did graduate from less good school then you or from very bad school but all possible to complete. Again forgive me for harsh words, just couldn't take it anymore. Best wishes.Boris
Gordon J. Wallis said:Well thats just another variation of the same theme I keep harping on in here...We are trying to fit into the medical field...and thats the kiss of death as far as advancing our profession....I dont want to ever be locked into some rediculess treatment plan, and become part of the system.The problem is that it pays good money, or it can.. As it is now...working in a spa... Im independent of any treatment plan..And am free to treat the client the best way possible. I just cant be connected to a medical clinic knowing what I know now.. I dont fit in to those treatment plans...
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Boris that treatment I did on her was adequate ...Her butt hurt right?.... so I checked her butt muscles...and I found two sore spots... They shouldn't be there and the pain patterns matched her symptoms.. so I eliminated them..I would of eliminated them anyway because I'm a massage therapist.. Sorry to inform you thats what I do or try to do..And Im getting pretty good at it now. Done it long enough.. Once any underlying pathology is ruled out... I feel confident working on anyone. And helping a high percentage of them by just eliminating trigger points....Sorry, thats my experience. My truth may change ten years from now, who knows?...But for now, thats it.
Boris Prilutsky said:Gordon. All my life, I am working in a frame of integrative medicine settlement. And this is absolutely not like you describing. You are independent with hands-on performances. Have to say and you please forgive me. You judging stuff at the time having no experience in this. You claiming superiority to other massage therapists including globalizing that everyone not really know what she/he doing but only you, I mean you don't have an experience working with medical practitioners, and you judging. I know it can upset you but I am writing it, because would like to prevent you to traumatize minds of young therapists. I hope they do not listening to you. Constructive judgment on treatment you described. It absolutely not adequate treatment to address trigger points only. I cannot extend to much on this. Soon will be available for free preview four hours program,where I will demonstrate hands on,and will explain what is it adequate treatment, and what is it inhibition of pain which is terrible phenomenon and not an results.
please stop convincing young massage therapists that they know nothing. Maybe they have less experience than you, and maybe did graduate from less good school then you or from very bad school but all possible to complete. Again forgive me for harsh words, just couldn't take it anymore. Best wishes.Boris
Gordon J. Wallis said:Well thats just another variation of the same theme I keep harping on in here...We are trying to fit into the medical field...and thats the kiss of death as far as advancing our profession....I dont want to ever be locked into some rediculess treatment plan, and become part of the system.The problem is that it pays good money, or it can.. As it is now...working in a spa... Im independent of any treatment plan..And am free to treat the client the best way possible. I just cant be connected to a medical clinic knowing what I know now.. I dont fit in to those treatment plans...
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Gordon. Trigger points is a results of myofascial dysfunction. cortisone injections into the trigger points also not a adequate treatment, even will contribute and significant to pain sensation reduction. Even orthopedic surgeons understanding it today, and referring to us to restore myofascial functions. In case if one will release tension within fascia and muscles and will not address trigger points, it also will be not adequate treatment. For sustained results, not pain inhibition only, we need comprehensive approach. soon I will propose in details. You did inhibit pain, and most likely very soon she will get it back but will not come to you for treatment, because in her mind, she already tried massage therapy, which temporary provided some relief. And this is opinion of many because some time we not providing sustained results, but temporary relief. Having said this, I agree with you that massage therapy is a simple and very powerful methodology.
Best wishes.
Boris
Gordon J. Wallis said:Boris that treatment I did on her was adequate ...Her butt hurt right?.... so I checked her butt muscles...and I found two sore spots... They shouldn't be there and the pain patterns matched her symptoms.. so I eliminated them..I would of eliminated them anyway because I'm a massage therapist.. Sorry to inform you thats what I do or try to do..And Im getting pretty good at it now. Done it long enough.. Once any underlying pathology is ruled out... I feel confident working on anyone. And helping a high percentage of them by just eliminating trigger points....Sorry, thats my experience. My truth may change ten years from now, who knows?...But for now, thats it.
Boris Prilutsky said:Gordon. All my life, I am working in a frame of integrative medicine settlement. And this is absolutely not like you describing. You are independent with hands-on performances. Have to say and you please forgive me. You judging stuff at the time having no experience in this. You claiming superiority to other massage therapists including globalizing that everyone not really know what she/he doing but only you, I mean you don't have an experience working with medical practitioners, and you judging. I know it can upset you but I am writing it, because would like to prevent you to traumatize minds of young therapists. I hope they do not listening to you. Constructive judgment on treatment you described. It absolutely not adequate treatment to address trigger points only. I cannot extend to much on this. Soon will be available for free preview four hours program,where I will demonstrate hands on,and will explain what is it adequate treatment, and what is it inhibition of pain which is terrible phenomenon and not an results.
please stop convincing young massage therapists that they know nothing. Maybe they have less experience than you, and maybe did graduate from less good school then you or from very bad school but all possible to complete. Again forgive me for harsh words, just couldn't take it anymore. Best wishes.Boris
Gordon J. Wallis said:Well thats just another variation of the same theme I keep harping on in here...We are trying to fit into the medical field...and thats the kiss of death as far as advancing our profession....I dont want to ever be locked into some rediculess treatment plan, and become part of the system.The problem is that it pays good money, or it can.. As it is now...working in a spa... Im independent of any treatment plan..And am free to treat the client the best way possible. I just cant be connected to a medical clinic knowing what I know now.. I dont fit in to those treatment plans...
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Boris, I am not going to get into another useless argument.
I'll just point out that a large number of respected educator-therapists employ with great success their own particular brand of trigger point therapy. Ben Benjamin doesn't work exactly like his associate Tom Myers, yet both have successfully treated hundreds of clients. Likewise, Eric Dalton's methodologies differ significantly from those of either of his friends.
The late Clair Davies taught that "pumping" pressure was the absolute best method for releasing trigger points. In his book "The Concise Book of Trigger Points", Simeon Neil Asher details several techniques, including Post Isometric Relaxation; Reciprocal Inhibition; Contract and Relax; Isolytic Contraction; Isotonic Contraction; Isometric Contraction; Inhibition-Ischemic Compression; and Davies' Deep Stroking Massage Technique. There are too many methods to list them all.
Each of the above techniques has hundreds if not thousands of adherents. Daniel, Linda, Gordon, Stephen, Gloria, Diana, to name a few, have at one time or another probably tried them all before settling on techniques that work best for them most of the time. However, I think it is highly likely that when one technique doesn't work with a particular client, they reach into their store of knowledge and try something else. IOW, I think it likely that the majority of successful therapists maintain an open mind (i.e., they never stop learning).
Gordon, for instance, though he often comments about the ineffective treatments administered by most chiropractors, has adapted the trigger point release techniques taught by Kaufman and other chiropractors into his own practice-- IOW, he keeps an open mind.
Judging by your many comments to this forum, you believe that your way is the only way...that all other trigger point release techniques are harmful to the client, even dangerous. Hundreds, if not thousands of skilled therapists disagree...have been successfully treating their clients for decades using methodologies diametrically different from those you teach.
As for me, I'd love to plug into Gordon's brain and download his storehouse of knowledge; I'd love to learn Daniel's KMT, China's Tuina, and for those who don't want or need trigger point work I'd love to learn to administer lomi-lomi. I have availed myself of your teachings as well. I am 63, and realize that I will never learn it all if I live to be 163. I will soon become a licensed massage therapist. But I plan on remaining a student for the rest of my life: I will try very hard to maintain an open mind and not be judgmental.
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I dont know...but I think it pretty significant when someone walks in with pain, then walks out without it.. There was a palatable trigger point in her gluteus mimimus when she came in...and gone when she left...She thought it was cool when I released it by manipulating the tissues around L2.. She said thats amazing....
Boris Prilutsky said:Gordon. Trigger points is a results of myofascial dysfunction. cortisone injections into the trigger points also not a adequate treatment, even will contribute and significant to pain sensation reduction. Even orthopedic surgeons understanding it today, and referring to us to restore myofascial functions. In case if one will release tension within fascia and muscles and will not address trigger points, it also will be not adequate treatment. For sustained results, not pain inhibition only, we need comprehensive approach. soon I will propose in details. You did inhibit pain, and most likely very soon she will get it back but will not come to you for treatment, because in her mind, she already tried massage therapy, which temporary provided some relief. And this is opinion of many because some time we not providing sustained results, but temporary relief. Having said this, I agree with you that massage therapy is a simple and very powerful methodology.
Best wishes.
Boris
Gordon J. Wallis said:Boris that treatment I did on her was adequate ...Her butt hurt right?.... so I checked her butt muscles...and I found two sore spots... They shouldn't be there and the pain patterns matched her symptoms.. so I eliminated them..I would of eliminated them anyway because I'm a massage therapist.. Sorry to inform you thats what I do or try to do..And Im getting pretty good at it now. Done it long enough.. Once any underlying pathology is ruled out... I feel confident working on anyone. And helping a high percentage of them by just eliminating trigger points....Sorry, thats my experience. My truth may change ten years from now, who knows?...But for now, thats it.
Boris Prilutsky said:Gordon. All my life, I am working in a frame of integrative medicine settlement. And this is absolutely not like you describing. You are independent with hands-on performances. Have to say and you please forgive me. You judging stuff at the time having no experience in this. You claiming superiority to other massage therapists including globalizing that everyone not really know what she/he doing but only you, I mean you don't have an experience working with medical practitioners, and you judging. I know it can upset you but I am writing it, because would like to prevent you to traumatize minds of young therapists. I hope they do not listening to you. Constructive judgment on treatment you described. It absolutely not adequate treatment to address trigger points only. I cannot extend to much on this. Soon will be available for free preview four hours program,where I will demonstrate hands on,and will explain what is it adequate treatment, and what is it inhibition of pain which is terrible phenomenon and not an results.
please stop convincing young massage therapists that they know nothing. Maybe they have less experience than you, and maybe did graduate from less good school then you or from very bad school but all possible to complete. Again forgive me for harsh words, just couldn't take it anymore. Best wishes.Boris
Gordon J. Wallis said:Well thats just another variation of the same theme I keep harping on in here...We are trying to fit into the medical field...and thats the kiss of death as far as advancing our profession....I dont want to ever be locked into some rediculess treatment plan, and become part of the system.The problem is that it pays good money, or it can.. As it is now...working in a spa... Im independent of any treatment plan..And am free to treat the client the best way possible. I just cant be connected to a medical clinic knowing what I know now.. I dont fit in to those treatment plans...
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Gary.you said:Boris, I am not going to get into another useless argument."
You just did attempt for another useless argument.my post was about, trigger point therapy only is not enough to reach sustained results. Also I asked Gordon to stop claiming superiority to other therapists who is less good than he think he is.it's just wrong to do.
If there is room to discuss, my post then to agree or disagree with what I have stated:” Trigger points is a results of myofascial dysfunction. cortisone injections into the trigger points also not a adequate treatment, even will contribute and significant to pain sensation reduction. Even orthopedic surgeons understanding it today, and referring to us to restore myofascial functions. In case if one will release tension within fascia and muscles and will not address trigger points, it also will be not adequate treatment.”
Gary W Addis said:Boris, I am not going to get into another useless argument.
I'll just point out that a large number of respected educator-therapists employ with great success their own particular brand of trigger point therapy. Ben Benjamin doesn't work exactly like his associate Tom Myers, yet both have successfully treated hundreds of clients. Likewise, Eric Dalton's methodologies differ significantly from those of either of his friends.
The late Clair Davies taught that "pumping" pressure was the absolute best method for releasing trigger points. In his book "The Concise Book of Trigger Points", Simeon Neil Asher details several techniques, including Post Isometric Relaxation; Reciprocal Inhibition; Contract and Relax; Isolytic Contraction; Isotonic Contraction; Isometric Contraction; Inhibition-Ischemic Compression; and Davies' Deep Stroking Massage Technique. There are too many methods to list them all.
Each of the above techniques has hundreds if not thousands of adherents. Daniel, Linda, Gordon, Stephen, Gloria, Diana, to name a few, have at one time or another probably tried them all before settling on techniques that work best for them most of the time. However, I think it is highly likely that when one technique doesn't work with a particular client, they reach into their store of knowledge and try something else. IOW, I think it likely that the majority of successful therapists maintain an open mind (i.e., they never stop learning).
Gordon, for instance, though he often comments about the ineffective treatments administered by most chiropractors, has adapted the trigger point release techniques taught by Kaufman and other chiropractors into his own practice-- IOW, he keeps an open mind.
Judging by your many comments to this forum, you believe that your way is the only way...that all other trigger point release techniques are harmful to the client, even dangerous. Hundreds, if not thousands of skilled therapists disagree...have been successfully treating their clients for decades using methodologies diametrically different from those you teach.
As for me, I'd love to plug into Gordon's brain and download his storehouse of knowledge; I'd love to learn Daniel's KMT, China's Tuina, and for those who don't want or need trigger point work I'd love to learn to administer lomi-lomi. I have availed myself of your teachings as well. I am 63, and realize that I will never learn it all if I live to be 163. I will soon become a licensed massage therapist. But I plan on remaining a student for the rest of my life: I will try very hard to maintain an open mind and not be judgmental.
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Boris you know it all...You even know the future... Thats truly amazing... You already know that my clients trigger point will come back, and that she wont see me again... wow... Maybe you should join the online psychic community and contribute to their forums?
Gordon J. Wallis said:I dont know...but I think it pretty significant when someone walks in with pain, then walks out without it.. There was a palatable trigger point in her gluteus mimimus when she came in...and gone when she left...She thought it was cool when I released it by manipulating the tissues around L2.. She said thats amazing....
Boris Prilutsky said:Gordon. Trigger points is a results of myofascial dysfunction. cortisone injections into the trigger points also not a adequate treatment, even will contribute and significant to pain sensation reduction. Even orthopedic surgeons understanding it today, and referring to us to restore myofascial functions. In case if one will release tension within fascia and muscles and will not address trigger points, it also will be not adequate treatment. For sustained results, not pain inhibition only, we need comprehensive approach. soon I will propose in details. You did inhibit pain, and most likely very soon she will get it back but will not come to you for treatment, because in her mind, she already tried massage therapy, which temporary provided some relief. And this is opinion of many because some time we not providing sustained results, but temporary relief. Having said this, I agree with you that massage therapy is a simple and very powerful methodology.
Best wishes.
Boris
Gordon J. Wallis said:Boris that treatment I did on her was adequate ...Her butt hurt right?.... so I checked her butt muscles...and I found two sore spots... They shouldn't be there and the pain patterns matched her symptoms.. so I eliminated them..I would of eliminated them anyway because I'm a massage therapist.. Sorry to inform you thats what I do or try to do..And Im getting pretty good at it now. Done it long enough.. Once any underlying pathology is ruled out... I feel confident working on anyone. And helping a high percentage of them by just eliminating trigger points....Sorry, thats my experience. My truth may change ten years from now, who knows?...But for now, thats it.
Boris Prilutsky said:Gordon. All my life, I am working in a frame of integrative medicine settlement. And this is absolutely not like you describing. You are independent with hands-on performances. Have to say and you please forgive me. You judging stuff at the time having no experience in this. You claiming superiority to other massage therapists including globalizing that everyone not really know what she/he doing but only you, I mean you don't have an experience working with medical practitioners, and you judging. I know it can upset you but I am writing it, because would like to prevent you to traumatize minds of young therapists. I hope they do not listening to you. Constructive judgment on treatment you described. It absolutely not adequate treatment to address trigger points only. I cannot extend to much on this. Soon will be available for free preview four hours program,where I will demonstrate hands on,and will explain what is it adequate treatment, and what is it inhibition of pain which is terrible phenomenon and not an results.
please stop convincing young massage therapists that they know nothing. Maybe they have less experience than you, and maybe did graduate from less good school then you or from very bad school but all possible to complete. Again forgive me for harsh words, just couldn't take it anymore. Best wishes.Boris
Gordon J. Wallis said:Well thats just another variation of the same theme I keep harping on in here...We are trying to fit into the medical field...and thats the kiss of death as far as advancing our profession....I dont want to ever be locked into some rediculess treatment plan, and become part of the system.The problem is that it pays good money, or it can.. As it is now...working in a spa... Im independent of any treatment plan..And am free to treat the client the best way possible. I just cant be connected to a medical clinic knowing what I know now.. I dont fit in to those treatment plans...
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Sigh. A heartfelt sigh. Boris, you claim superiority in every post. BTW, Gordon didn't say anything in the post you jumped on him about that you yourself didn't just repeat.
Have a nice life, Boris.
Boris Prilutsky said:Gary.you said:Boris, I am not going to get into another useless argument."
You just did attempt for another useless argument.my post was about, trigger point therapy only is not enough to reach sustained results. Also I asked Gordon to stop claiming superiority to other therapists who is less good than he think he is.it's just wrong to do.
If there is room to discuss, my post then to agree or disagree with what I have stated:” Trigger points is a results of myofascial dysfunction. cortisone injections into the trigger points also not a adequate treatment, even will contribute and significant to pain sensation reduction. Even orthopedic surgeons understanding it today, and referring to us to restore myofascial functions. In case if one will release tension within fascia and muscles and will not address trigger points, it also will be not adequate treatment.”
Gary W Addis said:Boris, I am not going to get into another useless argument.
I'll just point out that a large number of respected educator-therapists employ with great success their own particular brand of trigger point therapy. Ben Benjamin doesn't work exactly like his associate Tom Myers, yet both have successfully treated hundreds of clients. Likewise, Eric Dalton's methodologies differ significantly from those of either of his friends.
The late Clair Davies taught that "pumping" pressure was the absolute best method for releasing trigger points. In his book "The Concise Book of Trigger Points", Simeon Neil Asher details several techniques, including Post Isometric Relaxation; Reciprocal Inhibition; Contract and Relax; Isolytic Contraction; Isotonic Contraction; Isometric Contraction; Inhibition-Ischemic Compression; and Davies' Deep Stroking Massage Technique. There are too many methods to list them all.
Each of the above techniques has hundreds if not thousands of adherents. Daniel, Linda, Gordon, Stephen, Gloria, Diana, to name a few, have at one time or another probably tried them all before settling on techniques that work best for them most of the time. However, I think it is highly likely that when one technique doesn't work with a particular client, they reach into their store of knowledge and try something else. IOW, I think it likely that the majority of successful therapists maintain an open mind (i.e., they never stop learning).
Gordon, for instance, though he often comments about the ineffective treatments administered by most chiropractors, has adapted the trigger point release techniques taught by Kaufman and other chiropractors into his own practice-- IOW, he keeps an open mind.
Judging by your many comments to this forum, you believe that your way is the only way...that all other trigger point release techniques are harmful to the client, even dangerous. Hundreds, if not thousands of skilled therapists disagree...have been successfully treating their clients for decades using methodologies diametrically different from those you teach.
As for me, I'd love to plug into Gordon's brain and download his storehouse of knowledge; I'd love to learn Daniel's KMT, China's Tuina, and for those who don't want or need trigger point work I'd love to learn to administer lomi-lomi. I have availed myself of your teachings as well. I am 63, and realize that I will never learn it all if I live to be 163. I will soon become a licensed massage therapist. But I plan on remaining a student for the rest of my life: I will try very hard to maintain an open mind and not be judgmental.
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http://www.myokinesthetic.com/ Boris, why dont you buy this guys DVDs and learn something new...I did. Its mindbogglingly cool highly effective stuff. I dont care how psychic you are.. You have not a clue. Oh PS- This is suppose to be a thread about pet peeves...I only have one more....YOU !!!! You are on IGNORE now...
Boris Prilutsky said:Gary.you said:Boris, I am not going to get into another useless argument."
You just did attempt for another useless argument.my post was about, trigger point therapy only is not enough to reach sustained results. Also I asked Gordon to stop claiming superiority to other therapists who is less good than he think he is.it's just wrong to do.
If there is room to discuss, my post then to agree or disagree with what I have stated:” Trigger points is a results of myofascial dysfunction. cortisone injections into the trigger points also not a adequate treatment, even will contribute and significant to pain sensation reduction. Even orthopedic surgeons understanding it today, and referring to us to restore myofascial functions. In case if one will release tension within fascia and muscles and will not address trigger points, it also will be not adequate treatment.”
Gary W Addis said:Boris, I am not going to get into another useless argument.
I'll just point out that a large number of respected educator-therapists employ with great success their own particular brand of trigger point therapy. Ben Benjamin doesn't work exactly like his associate Tom Myers, yet both have successfully treated hundreds of clients. Likewise, Eric Dalton's methodologies differ significantly from those of either of his friends.
The late Clair Davies taught that "pumping" pressure was the absolute best method for releasing trigger points. In his book "The Concise Book of Trigger Points", Simeon Neil Asher details several techniques, including Post Isometric Relaxation; Reciprocal Inhibition; Contract and Relax; Isolytic Contraction; Isotonic Contraction; Isometric Contraction; Inhibition-Ischemic Compression; and Davies' Deep Stroking Massage Technique. There are too many methods to list them all.
Each of the above techniques has hundreds if not thousands of adherents. Daniel, Linda, Gordon, Stephen, Gloria, Diana, to name a few, have at one time or another probably tried them all before settling on techniques that work best for them most of the time. However, I think it is highly likely that when one technique doesn't work with a particular client, they reach into their store of knowledge and try something else. IOW, I think it likely that the majority of successful therapists maintain an open mind (i.e., they never stop learning).
Gordon, for instance, though he often comments about the ineffective treatments administered by most chiropractors, has adapted the trigger point release techniques taught by Kaufman and other chiropractors into his own practice-- IOW, he keeps an open mind.
Judging by your many comments to this forum, you believe that your way is the only way...that all other trigger point release techniques are harmful to the client, even dangerous. Hundreds, if not thousands of skilled therapists disagree...have been successfully treating their clients for decades using methodologies diametrically different from those you teach.
As for me, I'd love to plug into Gordon's brain and download his storehouse of knowledge; I'd love to learn Daniel's KMT, China's Tuina, and for those who don't want or need trigger point work I'd love to learn to administer lomi-lomi. I have availed myself of your teachings as well. I am 63, and realize that I will never learn it all if I live to be 163. I will soon become a licensed massage therapist. But I plan on remaining a student for the rest of my life: I will try very hard to maintain an open mind and not be judgmental.
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