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I had a new client the other day for an 80 minute massage. I asked him if there is anything that he wanted me to know.  He told me that he suffers from a herniated disc that he has had for a few years. He has constant low back and right hip pain that at times radiates down the back of his leg to his knee. He told me that he has had two injections in his low back and has to stay on anit- inflamtory medication.  Anything to avoid surgery. The pain is always there. I asked him if he ever saw a chiropractor for his pain.  He said yes.  But the adjustments hurt his hip so bad that he could not continiue.  So here is a guy that thinks he is on the verge of surgery. I knew that there was a very strong probubllity that was not the case. The vast majority of pain people experience is nocioceptive pain( soft tissue- muscle, tendon, ligament, facia).  MDs and Chiropractors see pain as neuropathic pain( nerve pain).  With that asumption they give the wrong treatments and therapies.  Now there is no denying that at times injections and surgery is needed. Not denying that.   But most of the time - NOT.  70% to 85% of all pain comes directly from trigger points.  Anyway I showed my client a testimonial from a client that I was able to help out of a very painful condition that she had delt with for a couple of years. I showed him that testimonial because all pain has a psychological eliment too it. I wanted him to start thinking maybe he is not on the edge of surgery.  I palpated his entire back upper torso, both hips, and right leg. I found a very painful spot on his right L5 erectors.  Another very painful spot on his right greater trochantor.  A painful spot in the middle part of his lower right hamstrings.  And also a tender spot on the right spinous of L3.  I knew that if Iwas able to eliminate all those painful palaptory spots that I would most likely eliminate his pain problem.  Because a healthy body had no painful spots even with deep massage.  Ive been hunting and eliminateing trigger points for thirty years now.  He walked out of the massage room pain free. He was pain free for the first time in years. All those other professional people misdiagnosed him because they assume neuropathic pain over nocioceptive pain.  I assume the other way around.  I'm a Massage Therapist.  

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Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on March 8, 2015 at 11:39pm
An attachment about visceral somatic reflexes.
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Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on March 8, 2015 at 11:42pm
The low back neck connection.

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Permalink Reply by Therese Schwartz on March 9, 2015 at 8:22am

I'm guessing you won't be surprised when I say that the image you attached shows the areas of big pain issues for me!  Those TP's are in areas I should be able to work on for myself.  I'll give it a try!

Gordon J. Wallis said:

People that suffer headaches especially migrains often have a tender spot ( trigger point )to the right of the belly button do to ileocecal valve stress. I dont diagnose or try to figure anything out on that level. But where ever I find a tender spot, I want to make it go away. And that spot is often tender with migrain people.

You can greatly reduce viceral stress by relieving TPs along the paraspinals and abdominal wall. Lots of Osteopathic information on that. So when you take a TP out, you are sometimes doing more then just relieving a tight sore muscle ( visceral somatic reflexes ). http://www.earthclinic.com/cures/ileocecal-valve.html here is a website that talks some about the ilicocecal valve. You can do your own research if you want. Also the attachment below shows the pain patterns for abdominal TPs..
Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on March 9, 2015 at 2:28pm

Too bad we live so very far appart.
Therese Schwartz said:

I'm guessing you won't be surprised when I say that the image you attached shows the areas of big pain issues for me!  Those TP's are in areas I should be able to work on for myself.  I'll give it a try!

Gordon J. Wallis said:

People that suffer headaches especially migrains often have a tender spot ( trigger point )to the right of the belly button do to ileocecal valve stress. I dont diagnose or try to figure anything out on that level. But where ever I find a tender spot, I want to make it go away. And that spot is often tender with migrain people.

You can greatly reduce viceral stress by relieving TPs along the paraspinals and abdominal wall. Lots of Osteopathic information on that. So when you take a TP out, you are sometimes doing more then just relieving a tight sore muscle ( visceral somatic reflexes ). http://www.earthclinic.com/cures/ileocecal-valve.html here is a website that talks some about the ilicocecal valve. You can do your own research if you want. Also the attachment below shows the pain patterns for abdominal TPs..
Permalink Reply by Therese Schwartz on March 9, 2015 at 3:54pm

It really is!  I'd be a regular client, and learn even more about how to help my own clients.  I just got done with one of my clients who has such a collection of TP's that it's astonishing.

The groin one that refers to the lower back - I have a HUGE one on the right side!  And boy is it tender!  I'm going to work on that one as I have the chance.


Gordon J. Wallis said:


Too bad we live so very far appart.
Therese Schwartz said:

I'm guessing you won't be surprised when I say that the image you attached shows the areas of big pain issues for me!  Those TP's are in areas I should be able to work on for myself.  I'll give it a try!

Gordon J. Wallis said:

People that suffer headaches especially migrains often have a tender spot ( trigger point )to the right of the belly button do to ileocecal valve stress. I dont diagnose or try to figure anything out on that level. But where ever I find a tender spot, I want to make it go away. And that spot is often tender with migrain people.

You can greatly reduce viceral stress by relieving TPs along the paraspinals and abdominal wall. Lots of Osteopathic information on that. So when you take a TP out, you are sometimes doing more then just relieving a tight sore muscle ( visceral somatic reflexes ). http://www.earthclinic.com/cures/ileocecal-valve.html here is a website that talks some about the ilicocecal valve. You can do your own research if you want. Also the attachment below shows the pain patterns for abdominal TPs..
Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on March 9, 2015 at 9:41pm

I deactivated an abdominal lower right quadrant tender spot today.
Therese Schwartz said:

It really is!  I'd be a regular client, and learn even more about how to help my own clients.  I just got done with one of my clients who has such a collection of TP's that it's astonishing.

The groin one that refers to the lower back - I have a HUGE one on the right side!  And boy is it tender!  I'm going to work on that one as I have the chance.


Gordon J. Wallis said:


Too bad we live so very far appart.
Therese Schwartz said:

I'm guessing you won't be surprised when I say that the image you attached shows the areas of big pain issues for me!  Those TP's are in areas I should be able to work on for myself.  I'll give it a try!

Gordon J. Wallis said:

People that suffer headaches especially migrains often have a tender spot ( trigger point )to the right of the belly button do to ileocecal valve stress. I dont diagnose or try to figure anything out on that level. But where ever I find a tender spot, I want to make it go away. And that spot is often tender with migrain people.

You can greatly reduce viceral stress by relieving TPs along the paraspinals and abdominal wall. Lots of Osteopathic information on that. So when you take a TP out, you are sometimes doing more then just relieving a tight sore muscle ( visceral somatic reflexes ). http://www.earthclinic.com/cures/ileocecal-valve.html here is a website that talks some about the ilicocecal valve. You can do your own research if you want. Also the attachment below shows the pain patterns for abdominal TPs..
Permalink Reply by Therese Schwartz on March 9, 2015 at 10:01pm

I'm envious! ;-)  Lucky client!  I've had my lower back under control (mostly) for a good month now.  And then I spent 7 hours painting walls in our rent house yesterday.  Today I have a lot of ouch in my right SI joint!  I just did some yoga and got 3 good back pops in my lumbar vertebrae so I have hope that tomorrow will be better!

Gordon J. Wallis said:


I deactivated an abdominal lower right quadrant tender spot today.
Therese Schwartz said:

It really is!  I'd be a regular client, and learn even more about how to help my own clients.  I just got done with one of my clients who has such a collection of TP's that it's astonishing.

The groin one that refers to the lower back - I have a HUGE one on the right side!  And boy is it tender!  I'm going to work on that one as I have the chance.


Gordon J. Wallis said:


Too bad we live so very far appart.
Therese Schwartz said:

I'm guessing you won't be surprised when I say that the image you attached shows the areas of big pain issues for me!  Those TP's are in areas I should be able to work on for myself.  I'll give it a try!

Gordon J. Wallis said:

People that suffer headaches especially migrains often have a tender spot ( trigger point )to the right of the belly button do to ileocecal valve stress. I dont diagnose or try to figure anything out on that level. But where ever I find a tender spot, I want to make it go away. And that spot is often tender with migrain people.

You can greatly reduce viceral stress by relieving TPs along the paraspinals and abdominal wall. Lots of Osteopathic information on that. So when you take a TP out, you are sometimes doing more then just relieving a tight sore muscle ( visceral somatic reflexes ). http://www.earthclinic.com/cures/ileocecal-valve.html here is a website that talks some about the ilicocecal valve. You can do your own research if you want. Also the attachment below shows the pain patterns for abdominal TPs..
Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on March 10, 2015 at 9:48pm
It's always an interesting day. A young lady I never saw before came in for a massage today. She told me that she was in some sort of accident ( can't remember ) , and as a result her ribs go out from time to time and her left hip is higher then the other, and that's why she keeps having her problems. Her left lower back is sometimes sore also. She sees a chiropractor and gets theraputic massages in the same clinic. I just said, "Muscles Move Bones." On palpation I found a very tender spot on her left Iliac crest. Maybe her QL. And another very tender spot on her left Paraspinals at the T10 level. She commented that was her rib. A trigger pointed muscle is a shortend muscle. So the QL and Paraspinals are physiologically shortened on the left side of her body. They connect on that left Iliac crest. So maybe the left hip is higher. I never think on those levels, but others do. Anyway I was able to deactivate those tender spots within a few seconds of finding them. She seemed amazed. But for me, it was a Typical Experience.
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Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on March 11, 2015 at 10:16pm
Nothing real super duper dramatic to mention today. But as aways there are trigger points. A new client came in today specifically because of a pain problem. She was referred by her mother whom I had helped out with a hip pain issue not to long ago. She complained of a band of pain across her low back and hips. Much like the referal pattern of a lower abdominal TP. So I did my thing and palpated from her hips up to her neck, front, back, and sides. I found mild Gluteus Medius TPs on both hips. A mild level Piriformis TP on her left hip. A left upper sacrum tender spot almost centerline. A tender lateral Ilicac crest TP possibly where the Obliques would connect. And one really bad tender spot right on top of her right PSIS( had to release that one twice). And oddly enough, several tender Lateral Spinous spots on both sides of the spine between T2 and T9. When she turned over I also found a medium level TP in the right lower quadrent of her Abdominals. She said she felt way batter after the massage but I suggested that she come in for a few follow up sessions to see if we can really make a long term difference in her low back pain. She had lots of TPs, but they were all pretty mild, except for the PSIS one.
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Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on March 12, 2015 at 1:04pm

I will read the link as soon as I can. But regardless of the reason for pain perception. What I'm doing, makes the pain go away. And I'm able to do that very effectively now. So unless that information you sent me makes the pain go away faster, I will continiue doing what I'm doing. Thanks for your feed back though.. I will check it out.
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Stacey L Brown said:

Hi Gordon-

There is new evidence out there that proves that our pain (soft tissue or otherwise) is filtered through the brain by way of the CNS. In other words, the brain produces pain 100% of the time so, those t.p.'s and their alleged referral pain patterns, are not coming from the t.p. itself. Also, that pain is not an indicator of tissue damage.

Pretty exciting stuff and it has changed the way I talk to my clients about their perceived pain and "tight" muscles. I would encourage you to read up on the newest findings in pain science (Moseley/Butler) because so much of what we think we are doing to the body and telling our clients what we think we are doing, is incorrect or even plain old wrong.

**Further research findings regarding myofascial and trigger point theories:  http://www.fmperplex.com/2015/03/05/a-critical-evaluation-of-the-tr...

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Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on March 12, 2015 at 1:42pm
Ok, I read that link. But uhmm.....In the first place. I have a completely different view of trigger points compared to anybody. Even Travell. All I do, reguardless of anything said in that article is this. A person comes in with a pain complaint. Whatever that may be. . My back hurts, I have sciatica or whatever....I palpate for sore spots. And I have found that if I'm able to eliminated those sore spots. I eliminate the persons pain. Period. That's just how it is. Even if the therory of what I think is happening is wrong. The end results of what I'm doing is clinically effective. And what I do is way beyond dry needling or what anybody knows in that article.
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Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on March 12, 2015 at 2:11pm

I don't mean to come accross that way. If we were talking face to face. You would not precieve me being cavalier. I just don't know how to type what I'm trying to say, I guess...But I really don't think any of those people in that article could explain what I did in that short video clip. But the bottom line is... If you make the TP go away, you get clinical results. My experience anyway. And when I say anything in here.. Its my truth. I don't mean to be cacalier. But I just have to tell my truth. Not somebody elses. I really appricate your feed back.
Stacey L Brown said:

"......what I do is way beyond dry needling or what anybody knows in that article".

Be careful Gordon, a cavalier attitude is a dangerous place to work from.

 

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