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Massage Should Not Be Licensed!
How does this subject make you feel?
Your schooling, training and everything is for not. That's what some on this site are touting as a reason to stop the professions progress thus far with the BOK. They continue to try and tie prostitution and massage together as the reason for licensing. It is not because we wish to enter the healthfield.
Read for yourself at http://www.massageprofessionals.com/group/bodyofknowledge/forum/top...
Instead of working with the leaders of this profession they want to create an entire new bureaucracy . It's your profession. How do you feel?
The following stories should give you a clearer picture of our massage landscape and how those resisting licensure are hurting the profession.
Your schooling, training and everything is for not. That's what some on this site are touting as a reason to stop the professions progress thus far with the BOK. They continue to try and tie prostitution and massage together as the reason for licensing. It is not because we wish to enter the healthfield.
Read for yourself at http://www.massageprofessionals.com/group/bodyofknowledge/forum/top...
Instead of working with the leaders of this profession they want to create an entire new bureaucracy . It's your profession. How do you feel?
The following stories should give you a clearer picture of our massage landscape and how those resisting licensure are hurting the profession.
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Permalink Reply by Gloria Coppola on
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OMG! What can I say? I cannot even believe that this level of ignorance is still out there. 25 years ago when I started in this profession there was that mentality. Have we not progressed yet?
If we want licensing it should be to elevate our standards as health care professionals, not to separate us from prostitution. Geez!
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Permalink Reply by Mike Hinkle on
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These are the same folks trying to hurt AMTA, but are actually hurting the profession, trying to do so. Prostitution has nothing to do with massage. It is an illegal act that can be policed any time law enforcement decides to. They are using these same old arguments repeatedly to sway opinion.
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Permalink Reply by Darcy Neibaur on
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I have read every entry in the BOK group and some of those guys have just tried my very last nerve. I want to respond to that group and just say "shut up". They need to quit writing their junk. They are missing the whole point of the BOK. Especially the scientist. I don't want to call names. What we believe by faith science eventually will prove it.
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YEAH DARCY!!! I agree. I think they just like to hear themselves talk. I'm with ya! Can't even read it anymore.
Darcy Neibaur BS LMT NCTMB said:I have read every entry in the BOK group and some of those guys have just tried my very last nerve. I want to respond to that group and just say "shut up". They need to quit writing their junk. They are missing the whole point of the BOK. Especially the scientist. I don't want to call names. What we believe by faith science eventually will prove it.
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I have continued to read Mike's entry's as they are the only ones that make any sense.
Gloria Coppola said:YEAH DARCY!!! I agree. I think they just like to hear themselves talk. I'm with ya! Can't even read it anymore.
Darcy Neibaur BS LMT NCTMB said:I have read every entry in the BOK group and some of those guys have just tried my very last nerve. I want to respond to that group and just say "shut up". They need to quit writing their junk. They are missing the whole point of the BOK. Especially the scientist. I don't want to call names. What we believe by faith science eventually will prove it.
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Ditto!
Darcy Neibaur BS LMT NCTMB said:I have continued to read Mike's entry's as they are the only ones that make any sense.
Gloria Coppola said:YEAH DARCY!!! I agree. I think they just like to hear themselves talk. I'm with ya! Can't even read it anymore.
Darcy Neibaur BS LMT NCTMB said:I have read every entry in the BOK group and some of those guys have just tried my very last nerve. I want to respond to that group and just say "shut up". They need to quit writing their junk. They are missing the whole point of the BOK. Especially the scientist. I don't want to call names. What we believe by faith science eventually will prove it.
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It makes me wonder what some of those guys are doing in the massage business. They could be telling on themselves.
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Permalink Reply by Bianca Berrios on
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I am at a loss...speechless, I can joke with the best of them; but the happy ending jokes after awhile begin to wear you down. Please if I'm of base, let me know...but honestly I don't think of our education as a sole motive to separate us from prostitution; I certainly hope not at least. I believed it was to show how valuable our profession is and how we can make a difference. How the profession has come along way from being titled as 'Masseuse' vs ' Licensed Massage Therapist'; how I cringe when someone says, 'Oh your a masseuse'...I am someone who left 'Corporate America' to pursue this passion and I can't believe in this day and age Massage Therapists of many years are still having to overcome these labels and creating fine lines of 'prostitution' vs 'therapy' for the whole well being....Isn't the 'proof in the pudding'? To stop this profession's progress is complete madness. My heart goes out to those Therapists who have been fighting for respect for years in the Health Cares profession....
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Permalink Reply by Lisa on
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i briefly read your link Mike...
i'm not sure i really understand the argument so forgive my ignorance, and i don't know what "BOK" is...but here's my thoughts on just what you posted in this thread of licensing.
in as much as i understand why we get licensed...so as to make sure we can be held accountable for any harm we may do...i don't completely agree with being licensed.
for instance...i live in TX. TX recently adopted the NCBTMB test as it's test for licensing. so to me...licensing just becomes a way for the state to make money. call me cinical but if the state recognizes the testing as valid proof of our knowledge...than why do we need an additional purchase just to work?
for many...starting off a new career is costly and after paying for school, and paying for the NCBTMB test, we then still have ANOTHER purchase to make before we can work. how does that help anyone BUT the state...not the profession. and until all states have the same educational requirements...it seems pointless to be licensed. because there is no uniformity. i don't see why the NCBTMB can't be the "governing body" for this and all therapists become CMTs on a uniform level of education.
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Hi Lisa,
NCB was in charge for years and has been lazy. The issue is now out of their hands. You are right, states should be doing this. They are now. The Federation of Massage Therapy Boards (FSMTB) is now organizing one set of guidelines for the industry to follow. Uniformity is coming. Texas problem was they were only making students attend 300 hours. Now it is 500 and other states will recognize them as peers.
Lisa said:i briefly read your link Mike...
i'm not sure i really understand the argument so forgive my ignorance, and i don't know what "BOK" is...but here's my thoughts on just what you posted in this thread of licensing.
in as much as i understand why we get licensed...so as to make sure we can be held accountable for any harm we may do...i don't completely agree with being licensed.
for instance...i live in TX. TX recently adopted the NCBTMB test as it's test for licensing. so to me...licensing just becomes a way for the state to make money. call me cinical but if the state recognizes the testing as valid proof of our knowledge...than why do we need an additional purchase just to work?
for many...starting off a new career is costly and after paying for school, and paying for the NCBTMB test, we then still have ANOTHER purchase to make before we can work. how does that help anyone BUT the state...not the profession. and until all states have the same educational requirements...it seems pointless to be licensed. because there is no uniformity. i don't see why the NCBTMB can't be the "governing body" for this and all therapists become CMTs on a uniform level of education.
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well i also think then...that if there is going to be ONE set of guidelines through ONE governing body (ie. FSMTB) than states should do away with licensing and let it be ONE certification for all. i don't think i should have to pay the state just for a piece of paper that says i went through the FSMTB to qualify for that license. we pay enough in schooling, testing, CEUs, etc.
Mike Hinkle said:Hi Lisa,
NCB was in charge for years and has been lazy. The issue is now out of their hands. You are right, states should be doing this. They are now. The Federation of Massage Therapy Boards (FSMTB) is now organizing one set of guidelines for the industry to follow. Uniformity is coming. Texas problem was they were only making students attend 300 hours. Now it is 500 and other states will recognize them as peers.
Lisa said:i briefly read your link Mike...
i'm not sure i really understand the argument so forgive my ignorance, and i don't know what "BOK" is...but here's my thoughts on just what you posted in this thread of licensing.
in as much as i understand why we get licensed...so as to make sure we can be held accountable for any harm we may do...i don't completely agree with being licensed.
for instance...i live in TX. TX recently adopted the NCBTMB test as it's test for licensing. so to me...licensing just becomes a way for the state to make money. call me cinical but if the state recognizes the testing as valid proof of our knowledge...than why do we need an additional purchase just to work?
for many...starting off a new career is costly and after paying for school, and paying for the NCBTMB test, we then still have ANOTHER purchase to make before we can work. how does that help anyone BUT the state...not the profession. and until all states have the same educational requirements...it seems pointless to be licensed. because there is no uniformity. i don't see why the NCBTMB can't be the "governing body" for this and all therapists become CMTs on a uniform level of education.
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I will keep that in mind in my discussions, thanks. Lisa!
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