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Even amongst themselves they disagree--I know reflexology teachers/practitioners from different camps---some say avoid putting any pressure on the medial malleolus until near the end of the pregnancy because it is a uterine point and that stimulating it could cause a miscarriage....others say it doesn't matter.
I had never heard that tale about no massage in the first trimester until just a few weeks ago when another therapist mentioned it. That wasn't taught in my school. I was amazed to hear such a thing. As far as I know, all the pregnant women (and their babies) I've massaged in the past decade survived without incident.
lee kalpin said:There are also numerous myths about treating pregnant women with massage. One is that you shouldn't give a pregnant woman massage during the first trimester. Silly, because most women don't even know they are pregnant until they are at least 2 months pregnant, or maybe 3 months. So if they are regular massage clients, they have had a lot of massage by then. Anyone know any other pregnancy massage myths?
Hi Lee,
We at the American Pregnancy Massage Association are driving hard to dispel those myths. They are so ingrained into the public it is hard to change. People have been teaching that particular myth so long that the general public thinks it's true.
lee kalpin said:There are also numerous myths about treating pregnant women with massage. One is that you shouldn't give a pregnant woman massage during the first trimester. Silly, because most women don't even know they are pregnant until they are at least 2 months pregnant, or maybe 3 months. So if they are regular massage clients, they have had a lot of massage by then. Anyone know any other pregnancy massage myths?
Another one is about Epsom salts baths relieving soreness after a massage. Paul Ingraham has posted an article on his website about that one and a number of other myths. He said he actually got a lot of hate mail about it. He didn't realize people would get so whacked out over something as ordinary as Epsom salts.
Hello Laura,
I just found this discussion and do have a comment regarding Paul Ingrahm's article. While some of his contentions have ample evidence to support his conclusions, some of them are just plain not evidenced based unless you pick and choose from studies then use the fallacious logic of 'hasty conclusion, or jump from a specific to a general conclusion.
His quote which is opinion and not evidenced based as he claims his article to be;
"But perhaps the most under-reported problem with stretching is so straightforward — so practical and mechanical and logical in nature — that there can really be no controversy, no debate. To observe it is to know it. Not everything has to be established by a scientific study! Some things are just a matter of logic. Once it’s pointed out, you can’t go back — it will be forever obvious that a lot of important muscles simply can’t be stretched. I call them “the unstretchables.”
Based on his above statement of "To observe is to know" I can say that stretching properly using what is commonly referred to as "AIS" stretching/strengthening resulted in my not ever cramping at athletic endeavors. Not doing so often did result in cramping. Particularly hamstrings.
I have read recent evidenced based studies on 'stretching' and the conclusions derived from the studies. The problem is the studies used specific 'stretching' methods which were based on joint movement and sustained stretching. His 'myth buster' conclusions seem to assume that there is only one method of stretching or that the results of one method were conclusive for any method.
He also neglected to link or reveal the specific studies he referred to.
There are other methods of 'lengthening' muscles which do not require joints to be manipulated past their anatomic barrier. Furthermore, due to increased tension within the muscle and fascial components there are physiological barriers to range of motion which can be relieved by lengthening the specific components causing the restriction. Of course the tibialis anterior cannot be 'stretched' past it's natural state, but a contracted tibialis anterior can be lengthened without manipulating the ankle past the anatomical barrier, contrary to what he says in one of his 'myth buster' articles which goes on to assume trigger point therapy is the only valid treatment.
While he offers some good opinions, like the myth that 'tapotement' will correct scoliosis, his 'outspoken' (to quote him) beliefs are sometimes hasty and lack conclusive support.
I do not think he deserves hate mail, but I could not recommend his article and am of the opinion that he should scrutinize his articles and carefully (re) consider some of his many contentions in light of the fact he claims they are all evidence based and scientifically valid.
Oh, and I couldn't care a whit about the epsom salt. It's reasonably safe to conclude it's harmless either way.
Laura Allen said:Another one is about Epsom salts baths relieving soreness after a massage. Paul Ingraham has posted an article on his website about that one and a number of other myths. He said he actually got a lot of hate mail about it. He didn't realize people would get so whacked out over something as ordinary as Epsom salts.
Hi Lee thanks for starting these discussions.
Rajam maybe we need to adopt what Tom is saying as a mantra ?
"Can you show me why I failed this patient" is a much more interesting question than "Can you confirm my prejudice about why I am succeeding with these patients."
and have it only 2nd to "as therapists we should first seek to do no harm" I think it was Henry Otis Kendall who first said that.
steve
Hello Laura,
I just found this discussion and do have a comment regarding Paul Ingrahm's article. While some of his contentions have ample evidence to support his conclusions, some of them are just plain not evidenced based unless you pick and choose from studies then use the fallacious logic of 'hasty conclusion, or jump from a specific to a general conclusion.
His quote which is opinion and not evidenced based as he claims his article to be;
"But perhaps the most under-reported problem with stretching is so straightforward — so practical and mechanical and logical in nature — that there can really be no controversy, no debate. To observe it is to know it. Not everything has to be established by a scientific study! Some things are just a matter of logic. Once it’s pointed out, you can’t go back — it will be forever obvious that a lot of important muscles simply can’t be stretched. I call them “the unstretchables.”
Based on his above statement of "To observe is to know" I can say that stretching properly using what is commonly referred to as "AIS" stretching/strengthening resulted in my not ever cramping at athletic endeavors. Not doing so often did result in cramping. Particularly hamstrings.
I have read recent evidenced based studies on 'stretching' and the conclusions derived from the studies. The problem is the studies used specific 'stretching' methods which were based on joint movement and sustained stretching. His 'myth buster' conclusions seem to assume that there is only one method of stretching or that the results of one method were conclusive for any method.
He also neglected to link or reveal the specific studies he referred to.
There are other methods of 'lengthening' muscles which do not require joints to be manipulated past their anatomic barrier. Furthermore, due to increased tension within the muscle and fascial components there are physiological barriers to range of motion which can be relieved by lengthening the specific components causing the restriction. Of course the tibialis anterior cannot be 'stretched' past it's natural state, but a contracted tibialis anterior can be lengthened without manipulating the ankle past the anatomical barrier, contrary to what he says in one of his 'myth buster' articles which goes on to assume trigger point therapy is the only valid treatment.
While he offers some good opinions, like the myth that 'tapotement' will correct scoliosis, his 'outspoken' (to quote him) beliefs are sometimes hasty and lack conclusive support.
I do not think he deserves hate mail, but I could not recommend his article and am of the opinion that he should scrutinize his articles and carefully (re) consider some of his many contentions in light of the fact he claims they are all evidence based and scientifically valid.
Oh, and I couldn't care a whit about the epsom salt. It's reasonably safe to conclude it's harmless either way.
Laura Allen said:Another one is about Epsom salts baths relieving soreness after a massage. Paul Ingraham has posted an article on his website about that one and a number of other myths. He said he actually got a lot of hate mail about it. He didn't realize people would get so whacked out over something as ordinary as Epsom salts.
Hello Laura,
I just found this discussion and do have a comment regarding Paul Ingrahm's article. While some of his contentions have ample evidence to support his conclusions, some of them are just plain not evidenced based unless you pick and choose from studies then use the fallacious logic of 'hasty conclusion, or jump from a specific to a general conclusion.
His quote which is opinion and not evidenced based as he claims his article to be;
"But perhaps the most under-reported problem with stretching is so straightforward — so practical and mechanical and logical in nature — that there can really be no controversy, no debate. To observe it is to know it. Not everything has to be established by a scientific study! Some things are just a matter of logic. Once it’s pointed out, you can’t go back — it will be forever obvious that a lot of important muscles simply can’t be stretched. I call them “the unstretchables.”
Based on his above statement of "To observe is to know" I can say that stretching properly using what is commonly referred to as "AIS" stretching/strengthening resulted in my not ever cramping at athletic endeavors. Not doing so often did result in cramping. Particularly hamstrings.
I have read recent evidenced based studies on 'stretching' and the conclusions derived from the studies. The problem is the studies used specific 'stretching' methods which were based on joint movement and sustained stretching. His 'myth buster' conclusions seem to assume that there is only one method of stretching or that the results of one method were conclusive for any method.
He also neglected to link or reveal the specific studies he referred to.
There are other methods of 'lengthening' muscles which do not require joints to be manipulated past their anatomic barrier. Furthermore, due to increased tension within the muscle and fascial components there are physiological barriers to range of motion which can be relieved by lengthening the specific components causing the restriction. Of course the tibialis anterior cannot be 'stretched' past it's natural state, but a contracted tibialis anterior can be lengthened without manipulating the ankle past the anatomical barrier, contrary to what he says in one of his 'myth buster' articles which goes on to assume trigger point therapy is the only valid treatment.
While he offers some good opinions, like the myth that 'tapotement' will correct scoliosis, his 'outspoken' (to quote him) beliefs are sometimes hasty and lack conclusive support.
I do not think he deserves hate mail, but I could not recommend his article and am of the opinion that he should scrutinize his articles and carefully (re) consider some of his many contentions in light of the fact he claims they are all evidence based and scientifically valid.
Oh, and I couldn't care a whit about the epsom salt. It's reasonably safe to conclude it's harmless either way.
Laura Allen said:Another one is about Epsom salts baths relieving soreness after a massage. Paul Ingraham has posted an article on his website about that one and a number of other myths. He said he actually got a lot of hate mail about it. He didn't realize people would get so whacked out over something as ordinary as Epsom salts.
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