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Is massage therapy recognized as an therapeutic /medical procedure???
Is massage therapy recognized as an therapeutic /medical procedure???
This link is to my article on this subject, where I am not only answering this question but also proposing practical steps.
http://medicalmassage-ceu.com/article_new6.htm
You are welcome to post comments: thoughts and questions on the subject. It is important dialog for every one of us.
Best wishes.
Boris
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Permalink Reply by Boris Prilutsky on
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Hello members.
I just got a reply to my post. I believe that a lot of important points was highlighted in this post. Will appreciate if some of you will help us out to understand about 200 modalities and to offer your thoughts on this subject,
Best wishes.
Boris
- Jonathan Massage and manual therapy is to me and fir me the most effective healthcare solution. I'm up for a dialogue. Thoughts on that?
Yesterday at 11:17am · · 1
Hi Jonathan. Thanks for post. I agree with your statement, about massage therapy healing power. In my article I did express my views including what steps we should do in order to get recognition. Actually only healthcare practitioners’referrals make clients recognize the fact that massage therapy is an therapeutic procedure. This is nature of this dynamic /recognition in America. 20 years ago when I arrived to America I started working for physical therapy department, and this was a way for me to get recognition and then to move to private practice.MDs and PTs continuing to referring me patients. Please share your thoughts on how in much massive way we can change mine of general public and healthcare professionals in the regards of us being powerful medical/ healing methodology.
Look forward to hear from you.
Best wishes.
Boris8 hours ago · · 1
Jonathan
Hi Boris. This is a question that I, like you have thought much about. We need marketing money and lots of it. High profile testimonials. Here is the problem though.... We have 200 at least, modalities of massage ranging from reiki and super basic massage through to LMTs that are as knowledgable as any practitioner of manual medicine. I am looking to start or join a coalition of expert LMTs to organize the right info and pass it on to other healthcare providers. It's going to take time. Most important is things like your post here. Explaining to LMTs that they are or can be vital providers of healthcare. Advanced training us VITAL of course. And good teachers. What are your thoughts?
about an hour ago ·
Jonathan .Still. The main problem is the number of modalities and the 15-20 maybe more that are medically oriented need to work together to advance massage as a viable treatment. We acknowledge the short term relaxation of basic massage and more basic massage practitioners of massage need to recognize medical massage practitioners strengths as well.
about an hour ago via mobile ·
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Boris Prilutsky Hi Jonathan.
You brought a lot of very important points to discuss. A lot of this issues I am not capable to address, have very little knowledge in it. I mean 200 modalities it sounds very complicated and maybe confusing for general public as well for healthcare practitioners. as a professional, I grew up in environment where was known and recognized, medical including orthopedic massage as well as Pre-event and post event sports massage. Curriculums of all institutions that trained us, where similar and around the same concepts.
The other type of massage that many knew and scientific society accepted was Chinese methodology. If in reality we having at least 200 different massage methodologies ,it make all more complicated. In my old country many medical doctors use to practice medical massage, and when medical massage practitioner for any reason used to contact medical doctor they used to react very fast . Somehow automatically we where recognized and more. Physical therapists used to deal with post stroke rehabilitation, brain and spinal cord injuries ets. At United States is a bit different , in order for general public to recognize us as a healthcare practitioner, clients have to get referrals from MDs,PTs etc. For example, when client is referred by MD, they know that at least 12 to 15 treatments needed to sustain result. In other cases for us is very difficult to convince that for particular condition it is not enough 2or3 treatments. Meantime it was my first reaction / thought to your very informative as well intelligent post. Let me put my thoughts together and I promise to reply, with additional thoughts.
Meantime please post more, and maybe other colleagues will offer some opinions. It is serious situation and we together can make it, and even having 200 modalities. My goodness, never thought that we have so many modalities.
Best wishes.
Boris
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Permalink Reply by Gordon J. Wallis on
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There is not much assessment in my work other then, look for sore spots . And I pretty much take any kind of diagnosis that they have been told that they have with a grain of salt..When it comes to structural problems anyway. My work has become simple now.. In the past, it was way more complicated.
Jeff Baldwin said:Hello Boris,
Is massage therapy recognized as a therapeutic/medical procedure? This question, unfortunately, brings up so many other questions that are necessary to determine the answer.
Who are you asking? (Patient, doctor, physical therapist, chiropractor, surgeon, insurance company)
What is the illness/dysfunction?
What method/modality(s) will be used?
Is the method/modality(s) used capable of treating the illness/dysfunction?
Is this treatment the cure? (or just temporary relief?)
What is the therapist's training, knowledge, skill level?
But most importantly:
What will be the result? (will this cure the illness/dysfunction?)
I practice orthopedic massage therapy. By that I mean, I utilize multiple manual therapy modalities to treat orthopedic conditions. I work everyday with people with conditions that are not treatable with generalized relaxation massage techniques or energy work. So in my office, what I do I consider to be medical procedures. I have to answer all those questions listed above. Most times I am able to resolve the condition fully, sometimes I only get partial recovery or relief, and sometimes I cannot make a difference. But what I can say, to help answer your question, is yes. I do recognize massage therapy (at least some specific modalities of manual therapy) as a medical procedure. My clients are "Patients". I perform thorough assessment and diagnosis (with the consultation of thier MD or Chiro), I perform my treatments methodically and with specific goals in mind (much like any medical procedure), and I work to fully resolve the condition, not just provide distraction or temporary relief. So in my definition, as well as the medical professionals I work with, massage therapy can be recognized as a medical procedure.
The Problem:
Not all therapists take a medical approach. Much of the time there is little assessment of the patient/client; either due to inadequate time allotted for it or lack of knowledge/experience of the therapist. Most often there is no consultation between a therapist and other medical professionals that are likely involved (MD, PT, OT, DC). And most often the incorrect modality(s) are used to create the necessary response in the tissue/body to fully resolve the issue. So the challenge I see is, in order to make massage therapy more recognized in the industry, there must be an effort to take a more commonly accepted medical approach to the occupation as opposed to what can best be described as "alternative" approach by the medical industry.
- Jeff
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Hi Jeff.
I agree with you on most of your post, and most likely it demanding separate discussion . For some reason Noel’s post disappear including my reply to him.
He offered some history lessons, and agree with me that recognition begins from a healthcare professionals referrals for massage procedure.In such a case we getting recognitions from both , general public and healthcare fellows . This is the nature of things , general public thrusting when they referred by …. There is different ways to get this referrals/recognitions, in my article I proposed a way that I personally went through in America 20 Years ago. It is just my belief and this is the reason why I decided to develop orthopedic massage/ physical therapy aide and chiropractor assistance home program program. Soon I will offer FREE full program for preview. I'm feeling very good about what I'm doing, I hoping that all will like it, and most important will learn to the level of capability to deliver results and then will develop ways to start receive referrals, from doctors,PTs etc.will be nice if you will share how you getting your patience.
Best wishes.
Boris.
Jeff Baldwin said:Hello Boris,
Is massage therapy recognized as a therapeutic/medical procedure? This question, unfortunately, brings up so many other questions that are necessary to determine the answer.
Who are you asking? (Patient, doctor, physical therapist, chiropractor, surgeon, insurance company)
What is the illness/dysfunction?
What method/modality(s) will be used?
Is the method/modality(s) used capable of treating the illness/dysfunction?
Is this treatment the cure? (or just temporary relief?)
What is the therapist's training, knowledge, skill level?
But most importantly:
What will be the result? (will this cure the illness/dysfunction?)
I practice orthopedic massage therapy. By that I mean, I utilize multiple manual therapy modalities to treat orthopedic conditions. I work everyday with people with conditions that are not treatable with generalized relaxation massage techniques or energy work. So in my office, what I do I consider to be medical procedures. I have to answer all those questions listed above. Most times I am able to resolve the condition fully, sometimes I only get partial recovery or relief, and sometimes I cannot make a difference. But what I can say, to help answer your question, is yes. I do recognize massage therapy (at least some specific modalities of manual therapy) as a medical procedure. My clients are "Patients". I perform thorough assessment and diagnosis (with the consultation of thier MD or Chiro), I perform my treatments methodically and with specific goals in mind (much like any medical procedure), and I work to fully resolve the condition, not just provide distraction or temporary relief. So in my definition, as well as the medical professionals I work with, massage therapy can be recognized as a medical procedure.
The Problem:
Not all therapists take a medical approach. Much of the time there is little assessment of the patient/client; either due to inadequate time allotted for it or lack of knowledge/experience of the therapist. Most often there is no consultation between a therapist and other medical professionals that are likely involved (MD, PT, OT, DC). And most often the incorrect modality(s) are used to create the necessary response in the tissue/body to fully resolve the issue. So the challenge I see is, in order to make massage therapy more recognized in the industry, there must be an effort to take a more commonly accepted medical approach to the occupation as opposed to what can best be described as "alternative" approach by the medical industry.
- Jeff
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Permalink Reply by Noel Norwick on
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Boris: Apparently there several different thread to this discussion given where one enters it from, see: http://www.massageprofessionals.com/group/freeselfmassagelessonswit...
I cut and have pasted my comment & your response below:
Permalink Reply by Boris Prilutsky
Hi Noel.
Thank you very much for post and for agreeing with me. Would be great to get Public acknowledgment by medical doctors and other health practitioners, but in my opinion this is very long process and industry have to survive now. Interesting enough that my article awake many reactions from my graduates. I mean they expressed opinions on the subject. One of them Anthony(this is real name) graduated from my program 15 years ago. Generally speaking, agreed with me that with out massive referrals from health care practitioners, impossible to get recognition. When Dr. referring, patients know that she or he coming for a therapeutic procedure. He disagree with me, that for this matter is necessary to work at physical therapy establishments, as I proposed in my article.
He working as an supervising massage therapist for big spa. 80% of massage clients is referred by MDs,PTs etc. He personally taking a lot of credit for it, because worked a lot in connecting with medical offices and educating on medical aspects of stress management massage, and orthopedic massage.BTW. Exactly in the same manner I started 20 years ago at US.:” educating MDs,PTs etc. on medical aspects of stress management massage, and orthopedic massage.” We I and he both agree, What is crucial in these cases is to deliver results in such a case doctors continued to refer. At my upcoming, orthopedic massage/physical therapy aid/chiropractor assistance video home program, I am sharing my personal clinical experiences of scientifically developed and clinically proven methodology. For some time it will be for free, and I'm hoping that many practitioners will take advantage to study, to deliver results, to talk language that doctors as well general public will understand, and this way to survive and not only to survive but to help people and to make good income.
Thanks for posting.
God bless .
Boris
Noel Norwick said:As an MBA and massage instructor, I agree with Boris that until medical doctors publicly acknowledge the efficacy of therapeutic massage protocols/techniques, our field will remain one in which over 90% are burned out and quit practice within less than 10 years.
I believe that the question that has yet to be effectively answered is how best to gain such acknowledgement. History or the public record already shows what approaches have failed:
1. Create a never ending number of "new" modalities with attendant claims that they are "Advanced" forms of practice. Our field has yet to develop a generally/legally recognized and unambiguously defined scope of practice for what constitutes the "Basic" or entry level of knowledge and skill. Until this is done, our field is divided and routinely being beaten up/exploited by rapacious practitioners in better defined/organized healthcare fields.
2. Dramatically increase the educational requirements/costs of entry into the field & creation of senseless continuing educational class requirements. The burnout rate shows this has and is failing to significantly improve the financial well-being of massage therapist as well as the public & medical field's perception of massage therapists. It's worth noting the public and medical mainstream's perceptions of Physical Therapists have not improved since that field in 1993 began an organized process of dramatically increasing educational requirements/costs of entry into the field (to what are now labeled, Doctor of Physical Therapy & Ph.D. in Kinesiology). It seems strange given their scope of practice, research focus, that PTs are now required to have completed undergraduate college programs in chemistry and physics.
3. Insurance companies don't control what medical doctors consider medical diagnosis, treatment or prognosis. At this time, it's my perceptions that for the most part, M.D.'s look to court decisions, government legislation & regulators to make those determinations for them.
I believe that as a field we need to come together in defining what are "basic" and "advanced" forms of massage practice before we can make a legally defensible case that can be presented to the above group as well as promoted/advertised to the general public. Curious what others think about my perceptions, suggestions regarding what to do and what they think might work.....
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Hi Noel.
Thanks for doing it. I'm not really knowledgeable in using social media etc.but this "Boris: Apparently there several different thread to this discussion given where one enters it from" sounds strange to me. I mean having you participate in this discussion is extremely important. I know you personally, as well your background in business,including God giving capability to do analysis. I would love to have you continue to participate, and especially when we will try to find out answer to question: why majority of my colleagues after being five years in business leaving us for good?you see I have my beliefs, my passions ,my opinions what we should do, but it doesn't mean I am correct,or understand what to do in order to improve our fall down, and to get place in the healthcare system, in order to help to many people, as well to make decent living.my hope is that many people will offer opinions.Thanks, and God bless you.
Boris
Noel Norwick said:Boris: Apparently there several different thread to this discussion given where one enters it from, see: http://www.massageprofessionals.com/group/freeselfmassagelessonswit...
I cut and have pasted my comment & your response below:
Permalink Reply by Boris Prilutsky
Hi Noel.
Thank you very much for post and for agreeing with me. Would be great to get Public acknowledgment by medical doctors and other health practitioners, but in my opinion this is very long process and industry have to survive now. Interesting enough that my article awake many reactions from my graduates. I mean they expressed opinions on the subject. One of them Anthony(this is real name) graduated from my program 15 years ago. Generally speaking, agreed with me that with out massive referrals from health care practitioners, impossible to get recognition. When Dr. referring, patients know that she or he coming for a therapeutic procedure. He disagree with me, that for this matter is necessary to work at physical therapy establishments, as I proposed in my article.
He working as an supervising massage therapist for big spa. 80% of massage clients is referred by MDs,PTs etc. He personally taking a lot of credit for it, because worked a lot in connecting with medical offices and educating on medical aspects of stress management massage, and orthopedic massage.BTW. Exactly in the same manner I started 20 years ago at US.:” educating MDs,PTs etc. on medical aspects of stress management massage, and orthopedic massage.” We I and he both agree, What is crucial in these cases is to deliver results in such a case doctors continued to refer. At my upcoming, orthopedic massage/physical therapy aid/chiropractor assistance video home program, I am sharing my personal clinical experiences of scientifically developed and clinically proven methodology. For some time it will be for free, and I'm hoping that many practitioners will take advantage to study, to deliver results, to talk language that doctors as well general public will understand, and this way to survive and not only to survive but to help people and to make good income.
Thanks for posting.
God bless .
Boris
Noel Norwick said:As an MBA and massage instructor, I agree with Boris that until medical doctors publicly acknowledge the efficacy of therapeutic massage protocols/techniques, our field will remain one in which over 90% are burned out and quit practice within less than 10 years.
I believe that the question that has yet to be effectively answered is how best to gain such acknowledgement. History or the public record already shows what approaches have failed:
1. Create a never ending number of "new" modalities with attendant claims that they are "Advanced" forms of practice. Our field has yet to develop a generally/legally recognized and unambiguously defined scope of practice for what constitutes the "Basic" or entry level of knowledge and skill. Until this is done, our field is divided and routinely being beaten up/exploited by rapacious practitioners in better defined/organized healthcare fields.
2. Dramatically increase the educational requirements/costs of entry into the field & creation of senseless continuing educational class requirements. The burnout rate shows this has and is failing to significantly improve the financial well-being of massage therapist as well as the public & medical field's perception of massage therapists. It's worth noting the public and medical mainstream's perceptions of Physical Therapists have not improved since that field in 1993 began an organized process of dramatically increasing educational requirements/costs of entry into the field (to what are now labeled, Doctor of Physical Therapy & Ph.D. in Kinesiology). It seems strange given their scope of practice, research focus, that PTs are now required to have completed undergraduate college programs in chemistry and physics.
3. Insurance companies don't control what medical doctors consider medical diagnosis, treatment or prognosis. At this time, it's my perceptions that for the most part, M.D.'s look to court decisions, government legislation & regulators to make those determinations for them.
I believe that as a field we need to come together in defining what are "basic" and "advanced" forms of massage practice before we can make a legally defensible case that can be presented to the above group as well as promoted/advertised to the general public. Curious what others think about my perceptions, suggestions regarding what to do and what they think might work.....
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I see two avenues are needed. One for immediate employment and one for the long term medical recognition. Here in California the largest employer of MTs are Chiropractors. Unfortunately state law does not require them to hire licensed/certified therapists to do massage. However, I do believe the majority recognize the value of having trained professionals. The down side is that this area of employment is low pay scale and often hard on the Therapist. Medical does not mean higher pay, unfortunately. I believe tier licensing as Medical Massage, Wellness Massage, Energy Practitioner, and Erotic Massage would divide the field and improve recognition to where a good wage and reasonable work schedules can make a good living for all.
Hopefully the coming expiration of the voluntary system of certification in California will lead to a true Licensing situation in the state. A board of massage at state level can give much greater professional status compared to the state approved private agency certification.
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Hi Daniel .
I'm not sure if in California the largest employer of MTs are Chiropractors. Taking your word on it. As I stated in my article, none of us including physical therapists and chiropractors are competitors. We all competing against painkillers, antianxieties , antidepression, sleep pills medications. Therefore maybe this is not a problem that law does not require chiropractors to hire licensed/certified therapists to do massage. I mean I don't like this fact, but don't see them as a competitors. If they do not know what they are doing, and just robbing backs/feeling good , or applying crazy pressure, then this is really not helping our goals.
You said;” Hopefully the coming expiration of the voluntary system of certification in California will lead to a true Licensing situation in the state. A board of massage at state level can give much greater professional status compared to the state approved private agency certification.”
Here my and your hopes are different. I California State Council for massage therapists certification Will stay forever. Since this his guys did win this bottle, businesswise it helped all of us a lot, it did boost self-confidence of many my colleagues who went out of business and because of this certification they coming back. Maybe I do not know something, but why you deciding California State Council for massage therapists certification coming to expire? Very frightening news. On other hand, please explain how ,board of massage at state level can give much greater professional status? I'm not arguing because I don't have slight idea about it. Please explain. Up front thank you for information about expiration etc.
Best wishes.
Boris
Daniel Cohen said:I see two avenues are needed. One for immediate employment and one for the long term medical recognition. Here in California the largest employer of MTs are Chiropractors. Unfortunately state law does not require them to hire licensed/certified therapists to do massage. However, I do believe the majority recognize the value of having trained professionals. The down side is that this area of employment is low pay scale and often hard on the Therapist. Medical does not mean higher pay, unfortunately. I believe tier licensing as Medical Massage, Wellness Massage, Energy Practitioner, and Erotic Massage would divide the field and improve recognition to where a good wage and reasonable work schedules can make a good living for all.
Hopefully the coming expiration of the voluntary system of certification in California will lead to a true Licensing situation in the state. A board of massage at state level can give much greater professional status compared to the state approved private agency certification.
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Boris, new legislation is required to extend the law that allows statewide certification.
"SB 731 4620. This chapter shall remain in effect only until January 1, 2016, and as of
that date is repealed, unless a later enacted statute, that is enacted before
January 1, 2016, deletes or extends that date." The date was recently moved up.
it was setup as an experiment that has a termination date. I agree that the voluntary
certification by a private organization has been a big help to our profession. But I
also believe we should move up to a State Board of Massage as other states have which
is mandatory and is publicly operated. If CAMTC is to continue then the banning of Chinese
& Korean language schools should be changed to suspension with a means of rehabilitation.
An individual who is denied has the right to apply again in a year but schools on the
list (Chinese & Korean language schools) are banned without notificationor understanding
why and forced into bankruptcy. Greater transparency of operation would be required
if it was a public agency.
These issues are important to the continuation of state licensed or certified massage
as the debate will ensue and we again face those opposed to state license/certification.
I think it is important to have all of our support and not a divided front when this arises.
CAMTC needs to address the Chinese & Korean issue so those communities do not oppose
state level massage. At this time the are actively opposing due to what is perceived
as discrimination and can only get local licenses to work or work illegally. An effort is
needed, in my opinion to bring everyone together
before the legislature considers this issue again.
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Daniel.
I am glad we both agree that CAMTC has been a big help to our profession. I don't have no idea in regards on what is go on With Chinese & Korean language schools. I mean it sounds like they teaching the language, what is have to do with massage therapy? In any case as you said CAMTC has been a big help to our profession, and let's pray that it will continue after January 1, 2016. It was set up as an experiment, and proving to be great outcome for us and general public.
Thanks for explanation.
Best wishes.
Boris
Daniel Cohen said:Boris, new legislation is required to extend the law that allows statewide certification.
"SB 731 4620. This chapter shall remain in effect only until January 1, 2016, and as of
that date is repealed, unless a later enacted statute, that is enacted before
January 1, 2016, deletes or extends that date." The date was recently moved up.
it was setup as an experiment that has a termination date. I agree that the voluntary
certification by a private organization has been a big help to our profession. But I
also believe we should move up to a State Board of Massage as other states have which
is mandatory and is publicly operated. If CAMTC is to continue then the banning of Chinese
& Korean language schools should be changed to suspension with a means of rehabilitation.
An individual who is denied has the right to apply again in a year but schools on the
list (Chinese & Korean language schools) are banned without notificationor understanding
why and forced into bankruptcy. Greater transparency of operation would be required
if it was a public agency.
These issues are important to the continuation of state licensed or certified massage
as the debate will ensue and we again face those opposed to state license/certification.
I think it is important to have all of our support and not a divided front when this arises.
CAMTC needs to address the Chinese & Korean issue so those communities do not oppose
state level massage. At this time the are actively opposing due to what is perceived
as discrimination and can only get local licenses to work or work illegally. An effort is
needed, in my opinion to bring everyone together
before the legislature considers this issue again.
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I had only one client yesterday.. She was a new client.. Id never seen her before. A flight attendant that has been dealing with pain for years.. She has seen other types of first tier health care providers.. Her pain was so bad the other day.. She couldn't work.. She scheduled, out of desperation, a massage in the spa where I work. When I met her. She looked in pain.. I asked her what her problem was.. She said that she has a rotators cuff injury or a frozen shoulder.. She has been told both.. But medicine and adjustments haven't helped. She has been dealing with this pain on and off for years.. It finally got so bad that she couldn't work that day...She said both shoulders were sore. The right being the worst. She also cant lift her right arm without pain...Her neck is sore sometimes, with headaches too. So I did a trigger point scan from her hips to her head.. I found a trigger point in her left and right rhomboids.. A trigger point in her right infraspinatus, and another in her right pec. They were big ones .Four trigger points all together.. I eliminated each one of those trigger points quickly.. She had scheduled an hour and a half session.. We were finished in 25 min. She was freaked out and happy.. Her rotator cuff injury was gone. First time in years.. She was a very happy women... Thats medical.. At the same time very simple.. Very simple.. Most people do not understand trigger point pain.. This scenario is almost repeated daily for me.. Weekly for sure...If we were recognized...I believe it would eliminated an entire health care profession.. So therefore, we never will be properly recognized... More tests or criteria for our licensing wont change that... The other professionals she saw took way more tests then me....You dont really have to know very much.. YOU JUST HAVE TO KNOW WHAT'S REAL.. My opinion only. But it seems obvious.. PS- Boris, Ive argued with you in the past on this site .And you irritate me to know ends sometimes . But I wouldn't hesitate to see you if I was in physical pain.. Because you are dedicated to your hands on soft tissue work...and that's the highest most efficient form of manual medicine if you ask me.. No doubt in my mind. None. Truth remains hidden.
Boris Prilutsky said:Hi Daniel .
I'm not sure if in California the largest employer of MTs are Chiropractors. Taking your word on it. As I stated in my article, none of us including physical therapists and chiropractors are competitors. We all competing against painkillers, antianxieties , antidepression, sleep pills medications. Therefore maybe this is not a problem that law does not require chiropractors to hire licensed/certified therapists to do massage. I mean I don't like this fact, but don't see them as a competitors. If they do not know what they are doing, and just robbing backs/feeling good , or applying crazy pressure, then this is really not helping our goals.
You said;” Hopefully the coming expiration of the voluntary system of certification in California will lead to a true Licensing situation in the state. A board of massage at state level can give much greater professional status compared to the state approved private agency certification.”
Here my and your hopes are different. I California State Council for massage therapists certification Will stay forever. Since this his guys did win this bottle, businesswise it helped all of us a lot, it did boost self-confidence of many my colleagues who went out of business and because of this certification they coming back. Maybe I do not know something, but why you deciding California State Council for massage therapists certification coming to expire? Very frightening news. On other hand, please explain how ,board of massage at state level can give much greater professional status? I'm not arguing because I don't have slight idea about it. Please explain. Up front thank you for information about expiration etc.
Best wishes.
Boris
Daniel Cohen said:I see two avenues are needed. One for immediate employment and one for the long term medical recognition. Here in California the largest employer of MTs are Chiropractors. Unfortunately state law does not require them to hire licensed/certified therapists to do massage. However, I do believe the majority recognize the value of having trained professionals. The down side is that this area of employment is low pay scale and often hard on the Therapist. Medical does not mean higher pay, unfortunately. I believe tier licensing as Medical Massage, Wellness Massage, Energy Practitioner, and Erotic Massage would divide the field and improve recognition to where a good wage and reasonable work schedules can make a good living for all.
Hopefully the coming expiration of the voluntary system of certification in California will lead to a true Licensing situation in the state. A board of massage at state level can give much greater professional status compared to the state approved private agency certification.
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Hi Gordon.
This discussion is about, how to get more recognition. We do not argue about great healing power of massage, as well do not discussing techniques that you did apply yesterday on your only one client. In this particular case, question is why yesterday you got only one client?the other question is it possible to survive by seeing only one patient a day. In my article,as well at my upcoming orthopedic massage/physical therapy aide/chiropractor assistant video home program I am offering suggestion.
We have to survive, and because we are representing very powerful healing methodology we also have to sustain ourselves financially as well. Soon when my work will be ready for preview, you will be more than welcome, to discuss, constructive criticism will be welcome, as well to adopt this methodology or just to ignore.
Best wishes.
Boris
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Boris, the schools I mentioned are massage schools that teach in the Chinese & Korean languages. They are not language schools. It will not help recognition to exclude these schools without a route to acceptance. They will be a major opponent to continuing CAMTC when new legislation is proposed. CAMTC needs to address this issue immediately to end discriminatory practices that will join thousands of Therapists with proponents of returning local control over massage.
I agree with you that state recognition benefits us. However, a system that forces schools into bankruptcy rather than requiring compliance appears to have other agendas.
Boris Prilutsky said:Daniel.
I am glad we both agree that CAMTC has been a big help to our profession. I don't have no idea in regards on what is go on With Chinese & Korean language schools. I mean it sounds like they teaching the language, what is have to do with massage therapy? In any case as you said CAMTC has been a big help to our profession, and let's pray that it will continue after January 1, 2016. It was set up as an experiment, and proving to be great outcome for us and general public.
Thanks for explanation.
Best wishes.
Boris
Daniel Cohen said:Boris, new legislation is required to extend the law that allows statewide certification.
"SB 731 4620. This chapter shall remain in effect only until January 1, 2016, and as of
that date is repealed, unless a later enacted statute, that is enacted before
January 1, 2016, deletes or extends that date." The date was recently moved up.
it was setup as an experiment that has a termination date. I agree that the voluntary
certification by a private organization has been a big help to our profession. But I
also believe we should move up to a State Board of Massage as other states have which
is mandatory and is publicly operated. If CAMTC is to continue then the banning of Chinese
& Korean language schools should be changed to suspension with a means of rehabilitation.
An individual who is denied has the right to apply again in a year but schools on the
list (Chinese & Korean language schools) are banned without notificationor understanding
why and forced into bankruptcy. Greater transparency of operation would be required
if it was a public agency.
These issues are important to the continuation of state licensed or certified massage
as the debate will ensue and we again face those opposed to state license/certification.
I think it is important to have all of our support and not a divided front when this arises.
CAMTC needs to address the Chinese & Korean issue so those communities do not oppose
state level massage. At this time the are actively opposing due to what is perceived
as discrimination and can only get local licenses to work or work illegally. An effort is
needed, in my opinion to bring everyone together
before the legislature considers this issue again.
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